i know a few of us including myself mentioned that if Jakob “can run a 46” then he should be running the mile WR…
we’re actually thinking too small. we know how he trains. if he is running 46 400m off of 100mpw+ and a lactate meter, he is capable of running 41 in the 400m and ALL world records
And let's be real. A guy like Jakob wouldn't run the 800m unless he knew he'd be good at it. The 800 is not his race. It'd be a waste of time for him to focus so much training on to it. Hence why he doesn't do it.
Well, he could do it at some small Norway meet.
I'm convinced that he will do at least a couple of 800m before LA28.
And really, what major tweaking from regular training would a 3:26 (3:25?) guy need to do? I don't think he needs to reinvent himself to attack 1:42 high.
Being able to run repeat 54's is an example of his endurance. That has nothing to do with raw fast twitch muscle fibers. Fast twitch fiber would be him being able to run a 46-47 400m.
He could run a 1:48 800m with those splits. And if Jakob pushed, he could go 52 then 54 to make 1:46, maybe 1:45.8 if he really kicked on the last lap. Which I believe is the fastest he could go for 800m.
In an interview he did in 2022 with Norwegian news outlet Aftenposten, Jakob was asked by the journalist if he had lost to Jake Wightman because of Wightman’s superior raw foot speed. Jakob denied this, telling the interview that he has as much raw speed as anyone running the 1500. He claimed that season he did an all 400 from a standing start and finished in 46 low. He elaborated and said he could probably run close to the 800 WR, but likely not quite able to break 1:41 flat. When pressed on this, he told the interviewer he doesn’t enjoy the 800 much and running that fast aggravates his hip with inflammation. So he said that he has no intention of seriously running an all out 800 again. He said in the interview he only plans on moving up in distance after he’s finished competing in the 1500 and never running shorter.
If Jakob had 46 low speed he would be 1) by far the strongest due to his 3k and 2) by far fastest due to his 400m. There would literally never be a reason to ever lead a championship race until the final 200m.
He would always be the freshest when the kicking starts and also have the fastest raw power.
And let's be real. A guy like Jakob wouldn't run the 800m unless he knew he'd be good at it. The 800 is not his race. It'd be a waste of time for him to focus so much training on to it. Hence why he doesn't do it.
Well, he could do it at some small Norway meet.
I'm convinced that he will do at least a couple of 800m before LA28.
And really, what major tweaking from regular training would a 3:26 (3:25?) guy need to do? I don't think he needs to reinvent himself to attack 1:42 high.
He CAN’T physiologically run a 1:42 so he would quite literally need to reinvent himself.
I'm convinced that he will do at least a couple of 800m before LA28.
And really, what major tweaking from regular training would a 3:26 (3:25?) guy need to do? I don't think he needs to reinvent himself to attack 1:42 high.
He CAN’T physiologically run a 1:42 so he would quite literally need to reinvent himself.
This thread exists for us to agree to disagree on this particular topic! 😂
In an interview he did in 2022 with Norwegian news outlet Aftenposten, Jakob was asked by the journalist if he had lost to Jake Wightman because of Wightman’s superior raw foot speed. Jakob denied this, telling the interview that he has as much raw speed as anyone running the 1500. He claimed that season he did an all 400 from a standing start and finished in 46 low. He elaborated and said he could probably run close to the 800 WR, but likely not quite able to break 1:41 flat. When pressed on this, he told the interviewer he doesn’t enjoy the 800 much and running that fast aggravates his hip with inflammation. So he said that he has no intention of seriously running an all out 800 again. He said in the interview he only plans on moving up in distance after he’s finished competing in the 1500 and never running shorter.
If Jakob had 46 low speed he would be 1) by far the strongest due to his 3k and 2) by far fastest due to his 400m. There would literally never be a reason to ever lead a championship race until the final 200m.
He would always be the freshest when the kicking starts and also have the fastest raw power.
I wonder why he chooses to push the pace. Weird.
I don’t think that is necessarily how it works. Your thinking is with a very mathematically direct correlation graph with speed and strength. I think rather the two metrics move directly, but not perfectly directly. The two variables will converge up to a point, but when either moves past an extreme point, the two variables diverge and one of them completely breaks down.
If Jakob had 46 low speed he would be 1) by far the strongest due to his 3k and 2) by far fastest due to his 400m. There would literally never be a reason to ever lead a championship race until the final 200m.
He would always be the freshest when the kicking starts and also have the fastest raw power.
I wonder why he chooses to push the pace. Weird.
I don’t think that is necessarily how it works. Your thinking is with a very mathematically direct correlation graph with speed and strength. I think rather the two metrics move directly, but not perfectly directly. The two variables will converge up to a point, but when either moves past an extreme point, the two variables diverge and one of them completely breaks down.
You speak of the variables as if they belong to different entities. They don’t.
Jakob’s variables line up perfectly, just as most other people’s do.
Here is the most likely line of it for the Jakob, the Americans, and Kerr. I’m of course speculating, but this is what makes most sense.
I don’t think that is necessarily how it works. Your thinking is with a very mathematically direct correlation graph with speed and strength. I think rather the two metrics move directly, but not perfectly directly. The two variables will converge up to a point, but when either moves past an extreme point, the two variables diverge and one of them completely breaks down.
You speak of the variables as if they belong to different entities. They don’t.
Jakob’s variables line up perfectly, just as most other people’s do.
Here is the most likely line of it for the Jakob, the Americans, and Kerr. I’m of course speculating, but this is what makes most sense.
Hocker ran a 22 flat 200 as a HS sophomore and made it to his State meet semi finals. He could run 45 high and 1:41 if he trained as an 800 guy.
Kerr can run 47 and 1:42.
Nuguse 47 and 1:42. Ritz is having him rep some 11 sec 100m reps to prep for his grand slam 800.
Jakob 46 and 1:41.
Kessler. Close enough. 47 low and 1:42
Yodeler = troll
There’s a gross misunderstanding of how fast these guys are. 46 isn’t that fast for the best middle distance runners in the world. It’s exactly what you would expect. These guys can all rep a few 11 second 100s in a speed max out session with extended rest. They do it all the time when they are trying to peak at season’s end. Nearly every sub 4 miler in world history has been able to run at least a 50.5 sec quarter, except in rare circumstances. These guys are way faster than that. If they used start blocks, every single one of them could break 11 easily in the 100m dash.
Hicham El Guerrouj’s coach in an interview he did with French language magazine L’equipe, said that there is a vast amount of ignorance about how fast the top milers can sprint. He said Hicham himself ran 46 in training multiple times and broke 22 in the 200 at like 17. He ran a 1:42 at a local track meet in Ifrane in 1998 to see if he was ready to break the 1500 world record. El G’s coach said the idea that he could not run about as fast as Coe was ridiculous, and that it goes to show just how much the casual fan does not understand their own sport.
He could run an 800 as a tune-up for a major championship. Many great milers have done this in the past.
The real suspicion I have (and had with El G) was that their 800 would be glaringly slow compared to their mile.
A guy like Jakob should be able to run 1:45 on his ear without any specific training.
The question - why are these guys avoiding the 800?
Give credit to Cole Hocker for running some 800 the last few years.
Is why Hobbs Kessler is so refreshing.
Yes?
But El G ran 1:42 high!!! 😂
Kessler is 800/1500. Some are. Some aren't.
El G in fact did run 1:42. He ran that time at a local race in Morocco in 1998 coming down from altitude camp spent in Ifrane. It was to prepare for the 1500m world record. The training leading up to the race and the race itself is featured in a Francophone documentary on El G that may still be on Youtube. It’s the current Moroccan national 800 record. This true PR was on El G’s wikepedia page for years before somebody removed it and replaced it with an older 1:47 PR from 1995. The 1:47 is wrong; El G ran 1:46 the last 800 in Athens. He could break 1:43 in his sleep.
I chuckled when I saw people say that Jakob can't break 1:43 even if that's his focus. Jakob is 10 times an athlete than Nick Symmonds (no disrespect to Nick, as he's still a great athlete in his own right), yet even Symmonds could break 1:43 without supershoes. He didn't have a lot more speed than Jakob either with a mid-47 400m pb weeks before his 1:42 and he's miles behind Jakob in endurance.
What Jakob needs to train is just specific speed endurance that can carry him through low-51 400m for two laps. He was already able to close a 3:34 race in 51 while running in lane 2 most of the times plus waving to the crowd. He can get 1:42 if that's his main event. Though 1:41 is a completely different story, because it would take 46 400m speed to get there, not sure he could do that, but I can see him get into 47-48 if he trains like a 800/1500 guy v.s 1500/5k. He ran a 12 100m as a 12-year-old, and he already trained like a distance runner at the time. He has plenty of natural speed.
I chuckled when I saw people say that Jakob can't break 1:43 even if that's his focus. Jakob is 10 times an athlete than Nick Symmonds (no disrespect to Nick, as he's still a great athlete in his own right), yet even Symmonds could break 1:43 without supershoes. He didn't have a lot more speed than Jakob either with a mid-47 400m pb weeks before his 1:42 and he's miles behind Jakob in endurance.
What Jakob needs to train is just specific speed endurance that can carry him through low-51 400m for two laps. He was already able to close a 3:34 race in 51 while running in lane 2 most of the times plus waving to the crowd. He can get 1:42 if that's his main event. Though 1:41 is a completely different story, because it would take 46 400m speed to get there, not sure he could do that, but I can see him get into 47-48 if he trains like a 800/1500 guy v.s 1500/5k. He ran a 12 100m as a 12-year-old, and he already trained like a distance runner at the time. He has plenty of natural speed.
He told Aftenposten in an interview he ran 46 in practice from a standing start. This was in 2022 at the end of the season.
I chuckled when I saw people say that Jakob can't break 1:43 even if that's his focus. Jakob is 10 times an athlete than Nick Symmonds (no disrespect to Nick, as he's still a great athlete in his own right), yet even Symmonds could break 1:43 without supershoes. He didn't have a lot more speed than Jakob either with a mid-47 400m pb weeks before his 1:42 and he's miles behind Jakob in endurance.
What Jakob needs to train is just specific speed endurance that can carry him through low-51 400m for two laps. He was already able to close a 3:34 race in 51 while running in lane 2 most of the times plus waving to the crowd. He can get 1:42 if that's his main event. Though 1:41 is a completely different story, because it would take 46 400m speed to get there, not sure he could do that, but I can see him get into 47-48 if he trains like a 800/1500 guy v.s 1500/5k. He ran a 12 100m as a 12-year-old, and he already trained like a distance runner at the time. He has plenty of natural speed.
He told Aftenposten in an interview he ran 46 in practice from a standing start. This was in 2022 at the end of the season.
I chuckled when I saw people say that Jakob can't break 1:43 even if that's his focus. Jakob is 10 times an athlete than Nick Symmonds (no disrespect to Nick, as he's still a great athlete in his own right), yet even Symmonds could break 1:43 without supershoes. He didn't have a lot more speed than Jakob either with a mid-47 400m pb weeks before his 1:42 and he's miles behind Jakob in endurance.
What Jakob needs to train is just specific speed endurance that can carry him through low-51 400m for two laps. He was already able to close a 3:34 race in 51 while running in lane 2 most of the times plus waving to the crowd. He can get 1:42 if that's his main event. Though 1:41 is a completely different story, because it would take 46 400m speed to get there, not sure he could do that, but I can see him get into 47-48 if he trains like a 800/1500 guy v.s 1500/5k. He ran a 12 100m as a 12-year-old, and he already trained like a distance runner at the time. He has plenty of natural speed.
He told Aftenposten in an interview he ran 46 in practice from a standing start. This was in 2022 at the end of the season.
This guy is a talented liar. Could probably fool a lot of people who don't know the sport. politician? car salesman?
one of those annoying people whose idea of a joke is telling lies with a straight face.
I actually cannot vouch that Jakob ran a low 46 quarter. Only that he claimed to run 46 to Aftenposten. If you search their website search engine for past news articles, set your search options for articles released in fall of 2022. That’s when the interview happened and it was that summer where he allegedly ran his 46 in practice. Emil Bondevik was the writer and interviewer for the article. He’s a big sports journalist in Norway. He interviews the big Norwegian athletes.
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