No point arguing with somone who willfully misunderstands. A major jump in performance, particularly relatively late in an athlete's career, such as with Hull or Katir, is a sign of likely doping. But so too is the absence of normal, natural variability, and not suffering natural fatigue.
On reflection I would say the top clean 5000m womens time is probably about 14:40. Maybe.
No point arguing with somone who willfully misunderstands. A major jump in performance, particularly relatively late in an athlete's career, such as with Hull or Katir, is a sign of likely doping. But so too is the absence of normal, natural variability, and not suffering natural fatigue.
On reflection I would say the top clean 5000m womens time is probably about 14:40. Maybe.
You have said variability is a sign of doping(on cycle off cycle). You have also said consistent improvement is a sign of doping(injuries, bad days, etc.) You just change your tune when it comes to KT. I have great respect for Tuohy. She is a phenomenal athlete who is really willing to work hard and go for it. She is humble and has always seemed nice to me. But you drive people away from supporting her when you talk about her.
When there are HS girls who have run their whole lives and are faster than KT at certain ages, you then accuse them of doping. When pros with years more development beat her as she is coming back from an injury and you say they must be doping.
No point arguing with somone who willfully misunderstands. A major jump in performance, particularly relatively late in an athlete's career, such as with Hull or Katir, is a sign of likely doping. But so too is the absence of normal, natural variability, and not suffering natural fatigue.
On reflection I would say the top clean 5000m womens time is probably about 14:40. Maybe.
How can you make a statement like the top clean 5000 meter woman is 14:40? You have no idea.
No point arguing with somone who willfully misunderstands. A major jump in performance, particularly relatively late in an athlete's career, such as with Hull or Katir, is a sign of likely doping. But so too is the absence of normal, natural variability, and not suffering natural fatigue.
On reflection I would say the top clean 5000m womens time is probably about 14:40. Maybe.
No. It is just that it is not either/or. If someone can run without any natural variability and shows the ability to run record times, that is a red flag. Think Armstrong or Pantani being able to attack over and over and over. On the other hand, if someone has a huge jump in performance, especially later in their career, that is also a red flag. These things are not complicated. I raise issues regarding doping when it becomes clear. Again this is a doping sport. Like cycling, every top pro runner dopes.
When a pro who as a 23 year old collegian had a college best of 15:42 can now run 14:45, that seems notable. Undertrained? Do you think that is on the level? Seems odd.
For anyone interested, here are the top 10 results:
1 - Josette Andrews OAC - 14:44.80
2 - Emily MacKay New Balance - 14:45.81
3 - Lauren Ryan Under Armour -15:05.68
4 - Katelyn Tuohy adidas - 15:07.27
5 - Olivia Markezich OAC -15:14.42
6 - Grace Fetherstonhaugh Unattached 15:18.56
7 - Kayley DeLay Brooks Beasts TC - 15:37.67
8 - Brooke Morabito Garden State TC - 16:27.52
9 - Lesli Salas Dallas Baptist -16:34.98
10 - Megan Williamson Dallas Baptist - 16:35.65
Not a good race for Tuohy. On a super fast track with 2 women to pull her along to a fast time - 15:07 is just not very good. But hope she improves.
Nice races for Andrews and Mackay! Touhy clearly just does not currently have ideal fitness. Her '25 indoor times of 4:25/8:47/15:07 pretty much show where she is.
She took 2 honest shots at 14:50 and made it through 2/3 of the race both times before breaking down.
In the championship 1500/3000 she was competitive, but got blown out in last 200/400.
A couple more months of healthy training, and perhaps she can simply be fitter for May/June meets.
Would be good to see her hang on for a ~15:00 PR and gain some confidence heading into the spring.
15 flat that is the time for a great female non EPO runner. whch i think tuohy is.
14 min is for your EPO chicks, who are talented liars, that is if you are gullible to the gills.
rojo and jonathan, have to be the bipolar fan boys, i suppose out of necessity to get interviews and play along on the ground. piping up against PEDS, meanwhile buddy buddy with the most outrageous PED users yet to be busted.
A couple more months of healthy training, and perhaps she can simply be fitter for May/June meets.
Don't know why you would think that. Her five best lifetime performances, seven of her top-8, and 10 of her top-13 were all done indoors. Almost the same as Andrews, with her top-5 and seven of her top-10 indoors. January 2026 would be a better bet.
A couple more months of healthy training, and perhaps she can simply be fitter for May/June meets.
Don't know why you would think that. Her five best lifetime performances, seven of her top-8, and 10 of her top-13 were all done indoors. Almost the same as Andrews, with her top-5 and seven of her top-10 indoors. January 2026 would be a better bet.
Her great indoor performances came after tuning her fitness level in successful XC season.
There are other ways to get fit, including racing your way into fitness. She does considerable cross training, including swimming, biking and other means. Perhaps she can avail herself from more professional assistance in terms of raising this temporary deficiency.
There are other ways to get fit, including racing your way into fitness. She does considerable cross training, including swimming, biking and other means. Perhaps she can avail herself from more professional assistance in terms of raising this temporary deficiency.
I don’t think it’s necessarily lack of fitness. She’s run 5 races in the past several weeks. I think we’re seeing limits of how fast her body will allow her to run. Maybe she can get to slightly under 15, but I think she’s close to her ceiling.
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