I am just glad that a pro is talking about it openly. It seems like it was the most obvious change in the last few years --- a way to ingest sodium bicarbonate without stomach discomfort --- and yet there were very few pros talking about their personal experiences.
The thing is, now everyone has to do it. It works, so if you don't do it, you are leaving seconds on the table...
When will pros talk about anabolic steroids and EPO injections openly ?
Longjack, or Tongat Ali, also isn't banned. But it's not very natural either. It's taken as a refined extract, not by picking it in the forest. Bicarb pellets in hydrogel isn't a spoonful of baking soda. And even if they were unrefined, it's not exactly beans and rice. I understand where the purists are coming from, and I understand the imbibers.
I am just glad that a pro is talking about it openly. It seems like it was the most obvious change in the last few years --- a way to ingest sodium bicarbonate without stomach discomfort --- and yet there were very few pros talking about their personal experiences.
The thing is, now everyone has to do it. It works, so if you don't do it, you are leaving seconds on the table...
When will pros talk about anabolic steroids and EPO injections openly ?
🤣🤣😂 nice punchline on the shady Ruxton!! We would appreciate it more for Fisherer just to be really really honest^100!! Bicarb only? Gimme a break!
Longjack, or Tongat Ali, also isn't banned. But it's not very natural either. It's taken as a refined extract, not by picking it in the forest. Bicarb pellets in hydrogel isn't a spoonful of baking soda. And even if they were unrefined, it's not exactly beans and rice. I understand where the purists are coming from, and I understand the imbibers.
Thank you sweetheart, I discussed that with you earlier didn’t I, I said no delivery adjustments except if you a patient with cancer or heart disease. Glad you took my point on and imbue it!!
Ironic, on their website, Maureen advertises for a clean sport, hypocritical! World Athletes, WADA, and USADA should ban them and their cheating athletes!
That’s right sweetheart!! I definitely said it first! Hydrogel bypasses the gut and tricks the body. Any tricking is cheating and tending to cheating isn’t it?! It’s straightforward. You already committed adultery the moment you accidentally uncontrollable lustfully run a sexual fantasy sequence with your next door neighbor in your mind!!
that’s the standard I espouse! The advanced physics standard of morality!
Your last assertion is a ringing endorsement for doping period, not that you intended that.
Yes, I see that now. Oof. I didn't mean that.
I meant it more like "well, drinking a stiff cup of coffee seems to result in better race times..." You don't have to drink caffeine, but it does work.
I disagree. This is not vastly different from when people started fueling during marathons. The difference from doping is that the banned drugs are generally not healthy or have negative side effects, and that’s why we don’t want people to have to do those drugs to compete.
I ran a road race in the early 80s where I experimented with Bicarb. I won, ran through the finish line, and straight to the closest porta-potty. I pity anyone that used that potty after me and the rental company that owned it.
I ran a road race in the early 80s where I experimented with Bicarb. I won, ran through the finish line, and straight to the closest porta-potty. I pity anyone that used that potty after me and the rental company that owned it.
in proper health and prep. you won't have much in your large intestine.
This is something that should be banned. Is there a test for it if they ban it? The shoes and the bicarb are ruining our sport and making it the realm of those who can afford such things. I know everyone of the elite level can get them, but this gets HS kids to try to buy super expensive gear and bicarb.
How are they ruining it? You want to “grow the sport” you did it with these performances. People don’t care if the shoes and tracks are better they just see winning and records.
I’m not reading through this entire thread but if it is a legal product that is available to everyone, it’s not a big deal. Seriously, what’s the problem?
Like with so many things like this, there isn't any clear evidence that taking sodium bicarbonate orally actually does improve times (or even helps people with kidney problems or other medical issues where it has been clinically tested). Walter Cannon pioneered the use of sodium bicarbonate during World War 1, where he gave intravenous doses of sodium bicarbonate to save soldiers who were going into traumatic shock (he observed that they were suffering from severe acidosis). He did give it orally, as well; but there isn't a lot of evidence that that worked - at least for shock patients. Maybe taking bicarb orally an hour and a half before a race might help, but I really doubt it.
The crazy thing is that bicarb was routine in septic shock into the 2000s and is still in crash carts today, despite a lack of evidence of improved outcomes. Bicarb's effect on acidosis is transient, but perhaps that short-term improvement is all that's needed to prevent lactic acid build up in a short race.
You again? You are a nightmare commentator because with you I have no clue where your beliefs lie. You give us bland and generic multiple answers to everything and refuse to commit on one single pitch. You know what you got it wrong again on the NACO3 issue. you don’t know you are objectifying there sport and it’s elements and using it as a means to an end to achieve your lewd and twisted desires of world domination, power and fame!!
NaHCO3. The 'a' in Na should not be capitalized, since chemical formulas are case-sensitive. NA would be an N (nitrogen) and an A (argon prior to it being changed to Ar in the 1950s). More importantly, CO3 is carbonate, but the substance being discussed is a bicarbonate. Bicarbonate has the formula HCO3 and has an extra hydrogen compared to carbonate.
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This has been around forever. It's banned in horseracing and extensively tested for.
you are more right than me Boston Billabong
from drf.com Horse Racing
Horsemen who train performance horses, and in particular racehorses, know that administering a large dose of sodium bicarbonate (about 18 ounces in a slurry of electrolytes, sugar, and water) can boost performance. Called a “milkshake,” it is given to a horse via nasogastric tube about six hours before a race to increase stamina by buffering lactic acid in muscles. Milkshakes are banned from racing, and trainers who use them suffer stiff penalties. But a segment of horsemen, both on the farm and on the racetrack, use a small amount of baking soda – one or two tablespoons – as a daily tonic. Reasons they give for doing this range from preventing a horse from tying up to improving the horse’s disposition. Warnings against its use include interference with digestion, colic, or sudden cardiac death. BFew claims are true. Sodium bicarbonate is an alkalizing agent. When used on a daily basis, it is mixed in the horse’s feed or water. Most commonly, those who use it hope the baking soda will prevent ulcers by buffering acid in the horse’s digestive system, or help a horse get over the rigors of training by buffering lactic acid that accumulates in its muscles after a gallop or workout. Humans can identify lactic acid as the “burn” you feel when your muscles tire.
it seems to me that banning bicarb is going to be very tough.
also, there are probably electrolytes and compounds that may similarly buffer lactic acid.
certainly. coming to the line with optimal electrolytes that is going to be super useful in distances, and not sure on the science, but quite possibly an interaction with lactic acid may benefit 400 and 800.
not an expert on this, though a lab man, i see that literature and market offers a vast array of buffering solutions.
which are common vitamins and compounds.
also, there are hundreds of nutraceuticals waiting to be applied "correctly" as PEDs,
certainly Creatine makes a significant difference, and Vitamin D, it is a steroid, with weak anaboic properties,
and so on,. to natural testosterone boosters that actually work.
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