NCAA Announces New Policy: Males with Trans Gender Identity No Longer Allowed in Women's Competition

They may or may not think it is the right thing, but they obviously think it's the most convenient thing. Now it's out of their hands.

I can’t imagine any other president pulling this off. He’s unwinding a decade of terrible damage done by the left-wing lunatics in the Democrat party. Maybe there’s hope for America after all.

This depends on whether you are talking about the trans person's inner self or about the society's acceptance.

Since we cannot see inside another person's brain (in spite of brain scan and other technologies), we cannot tell when the person's inner self "transitioned." For some people, it never changed from the time they became aware of gender. Other people had some "revelation" sometime later in life.

As for the societal acceptance, we need some observable "marker" to change our recognition. In many countries, sexual reassignment surgery was a prerequisite for changing one's gender marker. (It still is in some countries.) This was because surgery was considered a sign of irrevocable lifelong commitment. However, this invited opposition from people who could not have surgery for health or financial reasons. So the authority relented. (There was a secondary issue of minors who were too young to have surgery. But this is only a temporary issue because minors will eventually reach the age of consent.)

But this opened the pandora's box. Without rigid gate-keeping, how do we exclude opportunists who claim gender identity for the sake of getting access to women only spaces? As I wrote above, a person's "inner self" cannot be verified by others.

In order to become a naturalized US citizen, you need to meet all the requirement for naturalization. It does not matter how much you want to become an American. Whether you can become a citizen is not decided by you, but people who are already US citizens. It should be the same way here.

So that leaves the question of what to do with people who don't meet the requirement. I think we should recognize them as the third gender, either temporarily in the case of minors or permanently for adults. They may not be satisfied with their classification. But at least they are not confined in the box they want to get out of, and in case of minors there is always hope that they can eventually enter the box they want to get in.

Except in his point 1), Veee Eyee Teee mixed up two entirely different things: Trump's executive orders and the new NCAA policy.

The "sex assigned at birth" lingo that many people (including me) find "problematic" appears in the new NCAA's new policy, not in any of the recent directives from the Trump White House or other documents from the Trump admin.

The EO that Trump signed on January 20 - "Defending Women from Gender Ideology and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government" - says that sex is determined and fixed at conception.

The EO Trump signed this past week - "Keeping Men Out of Women's Sports" - uses the definitions given in the January 20 EO, not the "sex assigned at birth" nonsense that appears in the new NCAA policy.

Both EOs were written by women with top-tier legal educations and professional experience as attorneys who are extremely well-versed about what sex in our species is, how sex is defined in both biology and US law, and why distinctions and divisions based on sex matters in sports.

The attorneys who wrote these two particular EOs are also excellent at making the case for why distinctions and divisions based on sex often matter, and matter a great deal, in certain other areas of life beyond sports too - such as the design and provision of restrooms and locker rooms; changing and fitting rooms; membership in fraternities and sororities; homeless and emergency shelters; hospital wards; domestic and IP violence refuges; rape crisis services and centers; prisons; roommate/bunkmate assignments in dorms, hospital rooms, nursing homes, rehabs, refugee centers, halfway houses, etc; medical care and research; the design, availablity and allocation of technology, furnishings, attire, PPE and other safety equipment; and dating apps, social events and spaces, and political orgs and spaces for lesbians, gay males and bisexuals.

NCAA lacked Trump’s balls to stand up to the left. The overwhelming majority agree with Trump on this issue.

Thanks for posting all that you do. I mean it.

I think I knew you on mumsnet maybe.

Strange position, both because it seems to implicitly assume verifiability as a requirement as well as the implied process to meet that requirement.

Verifiability isn’t a problematic issue in sport, only for bathroom/locker access. There are many freedoms we have today (e.g., guns) that can be abused to cause much greater harm than the acts of a perverted man going into a women’s bathroom. There isn’t anything preventing such a man from doing the same act today other than the yells and screams of the lone woman victim trapped inside. The assumption that allowing people to choose their bathroom would suddenly lead to a significant increase in sexual crimes by male perverts feigning to be transwomen is just that, an assumption, and goes against the “innocent until proven guilty” principle practically everywhere else in society.

Citizenship policies are in the constitution and administered by the state department, not by existing citizens, not directly at least. The government could just as well determine what forms the basis of access to women-only spaces: gender or something else. In any case, there is no practical nondiscriminatory way for cis women to decide whether a trans woman is allowed into women’s private spaces, like the position reads as implying.

NOBODY asked for Trans in sports. Nobody that works for a living or had at some point, or has a family.

The average person rolled over to it, even though they knew the narrative was one hundred percent insanity. Engaging in debates over insane matters is insane.

In my travels, I have no discomfort what so ever in rubbing shoulders per chance with trans, gay, or what have you. From time to time they grab your butt, and get fresh. Zero discomfort, and laugh.

It is not funny however to have a trans boxer knock the teeth out of a lovely little girl, and to go along with that in any shape or for.

Let everyone do what they want to do sex wise without prejudges , and everyone agrees, please do the sexy stuff behind closed doors, everybody, straight or not, not in school, not in a parade, not on a poster at university, where the alumni advertises queer life on posters and in my email every week.

The Democrat party approval rate among men is about 20%. So I’d say that’s a big yeah. But I’m sure all the shrieking hags we’ve just witnessed in the past few weeks are gonna change that. 😂

One cannot deny the Democrats have made a big mistake in the gender issue.

They thought virtue-signaling and being "progressive" and "inclusive" was more important than women's rights.

And they have paid the price for it.

Exactly right...These LR libs present 3 paragraphs of twisted, convoluted logic trying to justify complete nonsense that 75% of America disagrees with.

The requirement for naturalization was determined in the federal law, which was written and voted on by the members of the Congress, which was elected by the citizens of the United States. It is implemented by the federal government employees who are also citizens of the United States. There is no involvement of people who are trying to become citizens at any part of the process.

Brings to mind the saying:

If you can’t dazzle them with diamonds, baffle them with bullsh!t.

But since the only thing a man has to do to become and qualify as a so-called "transwoman" nowadays is say that he is one, male perverts, rapists and other kinds of sex criminals don't have to engage in any elaborate "feigning to be transwomen."

In many places nowadays, all men and boys with malevolent intent have have to do is say "I'm transgender" and voila, just like that, they are given a free pass to go into women's and girls" restrooms, locker rooms, changing rooms, spas, shelters, rape refuges, prisons and do as they please in there.

For the past decade or so, malevolent boys and men like Richard Kenneth Cox, above, have been able to use the magic words "I'm transgender" to gain access to girls' and women's spaces knowing full well that when/if girls and women object, we'll be branded evil, hateful bigots and transphobes and scolded for being unkind, disrespectful and mean to the poor pitiful so-called "transwomen."

On top of that we'll be accused of exercising "privilege" and "punching down" on a group of blokes we're supposed to feel sorry for because - according to trans activists and "allies" - today's so-called "transwomen" and "transgirls" in Western countries like the USA supposedly are the most vulnerable, vicitimized, marginalized, opppressed, bullied, disadvantaged, misundertood, put-upon, pitiful, helpless and hapless minority group that ever lived.

Even worse, we'll be slagged off as prudish fussbudgets and old-fashioned fuddy-duddy pearl-clutchers who are over-reacting and being unfairly discriminatory to so-called "transwomen" because we hold views about sex and gender that that trans activists and their allies claim are outmoded and misandrist. Such as the belief that girls' and women's privacy, safety, dignity, comfort, physical wellbeing and peace of mind matter more than the supposed "right" of males with identity issues, sexual fetishes, mental health problems and maladaptive behaviors to go into women's and girls spaces to perv on the females who are in there and get off flashing their naked "lady dicks" at us.

But no matter how many times peverted, malevolent men and older boys convicted of sex crimes - such as Richard Kenneth Cox, Katie Dolatowski, Darren Meragher, Adam Graham/Isla Bryson and the skirt-wearing 15-year-old boy who raped and sodomised a 14-year old girl in a girls' school restroom in Loudon County, VA - take advantage of the "trans" loophole that their enablers in contemporary Western societies have created for them, those who cape for these creeps will continue to claim that the increase in the harms done to girls and women will never be "significant" enough to matter.

good!

Only slightly off the topic of new NCAA rules is the news that WA will now require cheek swabs for all participants in Female categories, at least at upper levels. Clearly another step in the right direction, and congrats to Seb Coe - who obviously would / will make an excellent IOC President.

theguardian.com

World Athletics plans cheek-swab tests for elite athletes in female category

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/seaningle

Governing body of track and field said new research shows male advantage exists before puberty and recommends ‘pre-clearance’ testing for female category

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So male athletes can still take up a roster spot and valuable resources meant for the women on the team? This also seems to imply they will be allowed in the locker room as well which should concern anyone with daughters or sisters on an NCAA team. Obviously this is an improvement over the previous situation, but it is still a wish-washy compromise. There are men's teams and women's teams. Period. No small print. No parentheses. No exceptions.