Crazy how all coaches discovered the internet in 2021 and everybody started getting faster everywhere, seemingly regardless of their training ethos.
Perhaps what is really going on is that during COVID when there were no competitions, some coaches experimented in training with things they didn't try before. Since there were no races, there were no consequences if it didn't work out. Then they found some things that work amazingly well and now they've adapted their programs around their discoveries. Without COVID they wouldn't have taken the risk to try something new.
I'm not saying shoes are not a factor though, they definitely are. But I think the gains from the shoes were already getting baked in.
...I don't even know why you thought this was a coherent response to my point. What are you even arguing here? "The shoes were already getting baked in" like what? Oh so all these coaches used the 9 months of COVID no competition to remimagine everything they know about training and that is driving the complete change in performance across every level globally? Not the footwear. Just this weird vague idea you are throwing out there. All I have to do is point at the shoes that were released in the same season that all times started getting a full standard of deviation faster, we're talking 35 sub-4s in college each year to almost 100, and you're sitting here like "yeah uhhh i hear you but maybe like the coaches all decided to independently like experiment with uhhh weird ideas and uhhhhhhhhh it worked for everybody everywhere all the time" you're an idiot, like, the burden of proof is on you in your weird thesis, I just have to point at the damn shoes being dropped the same year all of this changed. grow up, sorry your PR was set in super shoes.
Crazy how all coaches discovered the internet in 2021 and everybody started getting faster everywhere, seemingly regardless of their training ethos.
Like, Sizzle is probably right, all coaches, around the world, all simultaneously and independently started leveraging the internet in the same year (2021). It had nothing to do with the footwear that was released at that time.
Here's a fun thing: go to Google and search "double threshold," restricting the time range from Jan. 2018-Jan. 2021. You'll get a handful of articles about Norwegians, and the first page of results will include discussions of double threshold shower pans and tubs for home improvement. Heck, you'll even run across LetsRun threads with comments like this one: "I've said it many times and will say it again - there is no magic in training. Double threshold sessions won't make a 4:00 1500m guy or a 4:20 1500m guy into a 3:40 1500m guy."
Now do the same, but change your search from Jan. 2021 to Jan. 2024.
Ethan is in phenomenal shape and if he hasn't peaked, he could be a medal threat at NCAA, USA Outdoors, and Worlds Outdoors. I hope he isn't pulling a Gudaf Tsegay 2024 running best race early indoors and slowly declining the rest of the season. I'm excited 💥 for him and hopes he continues to get better in 2025👍 .
It was an amazing result, but a bit of a premature blackpage-ulation, imho. I thought at the very least an AR was broken. Your site. You're Rools [sic], though.
Ethan is in phenomenal shape and if he hasn't peaked, he could be a medal threat at NCAA, USA Outdoors, and Worlds Outdoors. I hope he isn't pulling a Gudaf Tsegay 2024 running best race early indoors and slowly declining the rest of the season. I'm excited 💥 for him and hopes he continues to get better in 2025👍 .
He’s in 3:30 shape but medal contention is 3:28 shape at least. He has to take another jump to be there, and a slight jump before that to unseat Kessler let’s say. Let’s not overreact to 3:48.2. We could see a few 3:45-6s in the next few weeks.
Ethan is in phenomenal shape and if he hasn't peaked, he could be a medal threat at NCAA, USA Outdoors, and Worlds Outdoors. I hope he isn't pulling a Gudaf Tsegay 2024 running best race early indoors and slowly declining the rest of the season. I'm excited 💥 for him and hopes he continues to get better in 2025👍 .
He’s in 3:30 shape but medal contention is 3:28 shape at least. He has to take another jump to be there, and a slight jump before that to unseat Kessler let’s say. Let’s not overreact to 3:48.2. We could see a few 3:45-6s in the next few weeks.
Let’s at least wait to see Kessler at Millrose before everybody names Strand (or Green) to the team. I understand the excitement, but so many seem to be ready to write off a 21 year old who finished 5th in Paris. Kessler is younger and better than Strand until proven otherwise.
He’s in 3:30 shape but medal contention is 3:28 shape at least. He has to take another jump to be there, and a slight jump before that to unseat Kessler let’s say. Let’s not overreact to 3:48.2. We could see a few 3:45-6s in the next few weeks.
Let’s at least wait to see Kessler at Millrose before everybody names Strand (or Green) to the team. I understand the excitement, but so many seem to be ready to write off a 21 year old who finished 5th in Paris. Kessler is younger and better than Strand until proven otherwise.
What is this weird obsession americans have with pulling out buzz words like “5th in paris” and “21 year old”. It was essentially a time trial and he ran 3:29.5. He would’ve ran that regardless if it wasn’t an Olympic Final.
Let’s at least wait to see Kessler at Millrose before everybody names Strand (or Green) to the team. I understand the excitement, but so many seem to be ready to write off a 21 year old who finished 5th in Paris. Kessler is younger and better than Strand until proven otherwise.
What is this weird obsession americans have with pulling out buzz words like “5th in paris” and “21 year old”. It was essentially a time trial and he ran 3:29.5. He would’ve ran that regardless if it wasn’t an Olympic Final.
Well, he is 21, so that’s not a “buzzword.”
No, finishing 5th in Paris is not just a time trial. For starters you need to make it through 2 rounds just to be on the starting line. So yes, Kessler gets a lot of “extra credit” for finishing 5th in the Olympic final. Ethan Strand just won the BU Terrier classic. I’d say that doesn’t move the needle quite the same.
No, finishing 5th in Paris is not just a time trial. For starters you need to make it through 2 rounds just to be on the starting line. So yes, Kessler gets a lot of “extra credit” for finishing 5th in the Olympic final. Ethan Strand just won the BU Terrier classic. I’d say that doesn’t move the needle quite the same.
You are 100% right. Finishing 5th in Paris, the most recent Global champs, and running 3:29-mid acts as a tiebreaker vs guys like Hoare, Garcia-Romo, Wightman, Nordas, Gourley, Habz, Nader with similar/better PBs and credentials before 2024. Kessler made it through the rounds and was more consistent/better in 2024 to boot. Those guys have something to prove. Murkier call with Tim Cheruiyot who was mostly better all season and ran 3:28.8 with just one flop in Paris. Komen ditto cuz he ran the fast time in-season and apparently got the flu in Paris, but I’d give Hobbs the edge.
He’s in 3:30 shape but medal contention is 3:28 shape at least. He has to take another jump to be there, and a slight jump before that to unseat Kessler let’s say. Let’s not overreact to 3:48.2. We could see a few 3:45-6s in the next few weeks.
It's pretty typical for there to be a down year after the Olympics, no? Honestly, Hocker, Nuguse, and Kessler were firing on all cylinders all of last year (3 world indoor medals, 1-3-5 in the Olympic final). Kerr got bronze in 2021 in 3:29.0, but the next 2 WCs were won with slower times, before a big peak for the 2024 Olympics where under the old OR didn't even medal.
That said, it's totally possible the top 3 in the US are on a similar level, in which case it'll take 3:28 shape just to make the team. And you're right, Strand could be a lot farther from the WR after Millrose and Lieven. Still, it's faster than Kerr ran in 2023, or Kessler ran last year, and only 1s slower than Nuguse last year. Truth is he could be good enough to be in medal contention and still miss the US team.