But I am extra grouchy when the left is trying to tell me I‘m a jerk for not agreeing to all their demands. I mean, I am SURE that I wish to think for myself. I believe the far left has no business telling me what and how I must think about gender and transitioning in order to qualify as a good person.
None of those "far left" people post on this board. At least not on any regular basis. So I don't know who you are trying to argue with.
There are people, LOTS of people, who have neither ovaries or testes by birth
And I don't mean 3rd world countries, I mean born in USA
And "at conception" everyone is "identical" for six weeks at a minimum
The SAME parts can become either or none or some variation inbetween
So the "law" doesn't make sense, which is not unexpected given from where it came.
And "at conception" everyone is "identical" for six weeks at a minimum
From the get-go, male human blastocysts created in the lab via IVF use up the nutrients/culture media they grown in faster than female human blastocysts do.
Sex differences have been found in the very first placental cells that human embryos grow when they initially implant in the uterine wall and the placenta starts developing - which happens 5-6 days after fertilization.
Read the EO. You are describing other evidence indicating fe/maleness. That's not what the EO says:
"(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell. (e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell."
At any rate, I disagree with those on this thread and elsewhere who are decrying this EO of Trump's because they contend that there's no possible way for American society and the US legal system to recognize the realities of sex in our species and provide sex-based rights, provisions and protections for those of us who are female without automatically subjecting persons with rare DSDs like Alicia Weigel to harm, cruelty, injustice, exclusion, marginalization, stigmatization, unfair discrimination and other forms of mistreatment.
In fact, I think most of the people who are making these claims - and railing that any acknowledgement of biolgical reality is bigotry, especially when it's done to benefit female people - are full of it.
Acknowledging the existence of people with Swyer Syndrome and CAIS is not bigotry.
Not acknowledging the biological reality of their existence is bigotry.
And I don't think reclassifying people with Swyer Syndrome and CAIS as male would benefit any female person. But chromosome fundamentalists on this board disagree.
At any rate, I disagree with those on this thread and elsewhere who are decrying this EO of Trump's because they contend that there's no possible way for American society and the US legal system to recognize the realities of sex in our species and provide sex-based rights, provisions and protections for those of us who are female without automatically subjecting persons with rare DSDs like Alicia Weigel to harm, cruelty, injustice, exclusion, marginalization, stigmatization, unfair discrimination and other forms of mistreatment.
In fact, I think most of the people who are making these claims - and railing that any acknowledgement of biolgical reality is bigotry, especially when it's done to benefit female people - are full of it.
Acknowledging the existence of people with Swyer Syndrome and CAIS is not bigotry.
Not acknowledging the biological reality of their existence is bigotry.
And I don't think reclassifying people with Swyer Syndrome and CAIS as male would benefit any female person. But chromosome fundamentalists on this board disagree.
I guess we're all female now, at least when visiting the US.
Get used to more of this - half-baked ideas that have no basis in reality, but being pushed as actual policy.
No you are what you identify as, it's that simple.
Executive Orders are not law of the land and no government can force people what their gender is.
ie. there are XX people who have SRY activated on X chromosome
Some present as male, some as female.
Some do not have ovaries or testes or not anything that is recognized as distinct.
"Nature" makes non-binary like that ALL the time, people are just ignorant of it because never told.
Doesn't affect your life in the slightest but it's fact that has to be understood/respected.
Government can't choose their lives for them and any that try certainly cannot call themselves a democracy.
Only using them as one example that this "executive order" is a joke.
And a few years ago he said in an interview he doesn't really care the slightest about this stuff, it's only to get chumps voting.
But what REALLY confuses me is Caitlyn Jenner recently posted PRAISING this Executive Order.
So I guess she is de-transitioning to Bruce now? Is that what she was waiting for, someone else to tell her how to live her life, the government instead of her own choice?
Is she going to turn in her ID and passport to White-House for "correction"?
How can this happen in a democracy?
It's like right out of some middle-eastern country run by Taliban.
across the internet, these are the types of blogs that special interest groups send bots and "editors" to warp public opinion.
suggest Rojo stop non registered accounts from posting,
and maybe in the process, figure out what accounts are fake or users with multiple accounts.
from what i see from the registered posters who know the sport, they are sensible in their opinion, and that's what i want to see.
not fake debates with provocateurs and warping perceptions.
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Did you know? The rate of internet searches for transgender porn in a given city/state is directly correlated with how that area votes. Specifically, the more Republican an area is, the more people search for transgender porn. (Interestingly, the same holds true for interracial cuckold porn.)
Conservative porn habits are undoubtedly a huge factor behind this strange obsession with trans issues generally. Republicans are getting off to things that make them feel extremely guilty/angry. In turn, they are taking these negative feelings out on the rest of us, especially the populations they are *ahem* fantasizing about.(This is obviously a primary motivator behind their efforts to ban pornography in general.) Protecting women's sports is an obvious trojan horse; Trump's executive orders yesterday show that they intend to go far beyond that. They do not want trans people to exist. They want trans people as many barriers as possible should they attempt to transition. They want it to be legal to discriminate against them. They want trans children to hate themselves. They want parents of trans children to live in constant fear.
You can keep telling yourself and others the claims you've made here, but in my view you come across as engaging in just as much fantasy - and wankery - as the Republican men you're focused on.
The fact is, half the population is female, and many of us do not have "porn habits" of any kind because we don't watch porn of any genre - and if we did, we wouldn't be seeking out either "transgender porn" or "interracial cuckold porn."
Similarly, many of us are not Republicans or Repubican-lening voters, Trump supporters, or residents of Republican or largely Republican areas.
Yet across the political spectrum, vast numbers of female people in the USA and many other countries are responding to this EO from the Trump White House with sighs of relief because we're completely fed up with entitled, selfish, pushy boys and men using gender identity claims - and the regressively sexist tenets that gender identity ideology is built on and promotes - to horn in on women's and girls' sports and insert themselves into every other space and service meant to be for females only.
Your claim that "protecting women's sports is in an obvious Trojan horse" is risible to those of us whose up and close and personal experience with trans activists over the years has caused us to conclude that today's "trans rights" movement is a misogynistic and malevolent men's movement dressed up in lipstick LARPing as the next frontier in civil rights.
Here's a glimpse of some of the creepy, pushy, intrusive, domineering, mansplaining men that you're caping for.
Yet across the political spectrum, vast numbers of female people in the USA and many other countries are responding to this EO from the Trump White House with sighs of relief because we're completely fed up with entitled, selfish, pushy boys and men using gender identity claims - and the regressively sexist tenets that gender identity ideology is built on and promotes - to horn in on women's and girls' sports and insert themselves into every other space and service meant to be for females only.
You mean, like this high school student who played on girls' volleyball team?
And "at conception" everyone is "identical" for six weeks at a minimum
From the get-go, male human blastocysts created in the lab via IVF use up the nutrients/culture media they grown in faster than female human blastocysts do.
Sex differences have been found in the very first placental cells that human embryos grow when they initially implant in the uterine wall and the placenta starts developing - which happens 5-6 days after fertilization.
Read the EO. You are describing other evidence indicating fe/maleness. That's not what the EO says:
"(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell. (e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell."
I did read the EO. I'm the one who first posted it on this thread. I even copied & pasted the whole thing so people could read it for themselves right here on the thread.
If humans didn't have a sex/belong to a sex class from conception, then there'd be no way to ascertain the sex of IVF embryos in order to practice sex-selection - a pretty common practice nowadays.
IVF is increasingly coupled with sophisticated genetic testing of embryos. In the United States, the proportion of IVF cycles that use preimplantation genetic testing (PGT) increased from 4.5% in 2011 to 44.9% in 2018.
The conduct of PGT entails a biopsy of the trophectoderm layer of the blastocyst stage embryo, after which the extracted DNA is analyzed by techniques such as next-generation sequencing. Although PGT is performed with various indications in mind, including the exclusion of single gene variants or structural chromosomal rearrangements...an increasing proportion of patients who undergo IVF has an opportunity to engage in preimplantation sex selection.
Although the coupling of IVF with preimplantation sex selection has been available since the 1990s, the practice has been mostly limited to elective family balancing or, in rare cases, to the prevention of sex-linked genetic disorders. With the recent widespread use of PGT, circumstances have changed materially.
Recent US national data indicate that the male-to-female sex ratio of neonates was significantly higher after IVF with PGT for any indication than without it (115 vs. 105) (4). The sex ratio of neonates proved especially pronounced after PGT for elective sex selection, with 164 males born for every 100 females [in 2014-2016}.
In recent years, there has been rapid increase in the availability of elective sex selection via genetic testing of preimplantation embryos created through in vitro fertilization. We explore the standing of this ethically con...
PGT is done on IVF "embryos" when they are 5-6 days old. At that stage, they're still officially blastocysts. A blastocyst usually is considered an embryo until 10-12 days after fertilization. In natural pregnancy, very early-stage developing offspring customarily aren't considered embryos until they've reached the uterus and successfully implanted in the uterine wall.
Read the EO. You are describing other evidence indicating fe/maleness. That's not what the EO says:
"(d) “Female” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell. (e) “Male” means a person belonging, at conception, to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell."
I did read the EO. I'm the one who first posted it on this thread. I even copied & pasted the whole thing so people could read it for themselves right here on the thread.
If humans didn't have a sex/belong to a sex class from conception, then there'd be no way to ascertain the sex of IVF embryos in order to practice sex-selection - a pretty common practice nowadays.
IVF is increasingly coupled with sophisticated genetic testing of embryos. In the United States, the proportion of IVF cycles that use preimplantation genetic testing (PGT) increased from 4.5% in 2011 to 44.9% in 2018.
The conduct of PGT entails a biopsy of the trophectoderm layer of the blastocyst stage embryo, after which the extracted DNA is analyzed by techniques such as next-generation sequencing. Although PGT is performed with various indications in mind, including the exclusion of single gene variants or structural chromosomal rearrangements...an increasing proportion of patients who undergo IVF has an opportunity to engage in preimplantation sex selection.
Although the coupling of IVF with preimplantation sex selection has been available since the 1990s, the practice has been mostly limited to elective family balancing or, in rare cases, to the prevention of sex-linked genetic disorders. With the recent widespread use of PGT, circumstances have changed materially.
Recent US national data indicate that the male-to-female sex ratio of neonates was significantly higher after IVF with PGT for any indication than without it (115 vs. 105) (4). The sex ratio of neonates proved especially pronounced after PGT for elective sex selection, with 164 males born for every 100 females [in 2014-2016}.
PGT is done on IVF "embryos" when they are 5-6 days old. At that stage, they're still officially blastocysts. A blastocyst usually is considered an embryo until 10-12 days after fertilization. In natural pregnancy, very early-stage developing offspring customarily aren't considered embryos until they've reached the uterus and successfully implanted in the uterine wall.
The EO is all fcked up. When is at time of conception, and when is time a embryo is considered a human before we can determine a gender identity from?
While I agree the women’s sports should be for biological women, it’s astounding that the US cares so much about transgender issues since it truly affects so few people.
Who the eff cares how someone identifies? I certainly don’t. The fact that Trump made this the first thing he talked about in terms of policy change in his inauguration speech is complete base-pandering and fear mongering. And you know why? Because the median IQ of this country is 100 and they cheer for this 💩 instead of actually relevant issues.
downvote me away but if you’re a true conservative and believe in “don’t tread on me”… well Trump is certainly treading on your ability to choose who you want to be.
Again, protect women’s sports or whatever, but pretty much everything else in this area is excessive overreach
I absolutely respect your opinion. At the same time, I am tired of hearing the line that it is such a small part of the population, so we should just let others do the thinking for us, and let others do the deciding for us.
I care about how we treat homeless people. I care about how we treat people with extreme obesity. I care about how we treat ppl with schizophrenia. And yes, I care about ppl who have a d!ck, but are on estrogen, and need a place to p!ss in an airport.
I just find that most people who tell me I should not concern myself with little pockets of society, are trying to shut me up.
Lmao, who is telling you what to think? If you care about all those people- homeless, schizophrenia, arguably marginalized groups- why wouldn’t you also care about people who identify differently?? Bizarre argument
honestly, as someone who is pretty neutral about trans people, they occupy my thoughts approximately 0.01% of the time. If you’re worried about them that much, you may want to think about what that says about you
Yet across the political spectrum, vast numbers of female people in the USA and many other countries are responding to this EO from the Trump White House with sighs of relief because we're completely fed up with entitled, selfish, pushy boys and men using gender identity claims - and the regressively sexist tenets that gender identity ideology is built on and promotes - to horn in on women's and girls' sports and insert themselves into every other space and service meant to be for females only.
You mean, like this high school student who played on girls' volleyball team?
Now, that's what I call entitled, selfish and pushy.
JAHJ, are you okay? This last post of yours has me worried that you've had a head injury, been hitting the booze or bong in a big way, or you've simply lost your marbles.
The first link you posted is to a tweet/X post about a male HS student in MA whose disturbing behavior seems to lend credence to my views that males should not be allowed to use gender identity claims to invade girls and women's sports and spaces, not your view any woman or girl who objects to blokes in our sports and spaces is a hateful bigot.
The tweet you linked to reads as follows:
Remember Lazuli Clark, that Beardo who injured that girl in the basketball video where he violently threw her to the ground?
Turns out he was a FIVE SPORT athlete in women's sports (either this dude is the best athlete in the world or there's something else going on here. Hmmmm what could it be?) and he's now a four-sport athlete cause he got kicked off the rowing team for making sexually suggestive comments about the breasts of a topless girl getting dressed in the female change room.
Daily Mail found it appropriate to protect this predatory males identity, but these photos are in the public domain and I don't share that prerogative.
The post then links to a Daily Mail post promoting a DM story about this young man that's most girls and women would find worrying:
Barded trans athlete filmed injuring rival at school basketball game has participated against girls in five other sports - and 'was suspended from rowing team for leering "ooh, t*tties" at topless girl in changing room'
The 6ft student at??KIPP Academy Lynn in Massachusetts injured three opponents during a girls' basketball game on February 8 before the other team gave up to prevent more.
Bearded trans athlete filmed injuring rival at school basketball game has participated against girls in five other sports - and 'was suspended from rowing team for leering "ooh, t*tties" at topless girl in changing room' https://t.co/MMFl132Ipnpic.twitter.com/Pfj9XyLMcW
The second link you gave is to a website that shows this young man who claims he's "trans" has been competing in his correct sex category in singing and he's good enough that he made to the finals in a national singing contest in 2024.
You snarkily remarked, "Now, that's what I call entitled, selfish and pushy" as though you think it's perfectly fine for this fella to compete in a male singing contest at the same time he's been competing several different girls' HS sports - causing injuries to female athletes he's played against, and sexually harassing some of them in the changing room to boot, enough so that a formal complaint was made about him to SafeSport.
For you to bring up this guy of your own volition and point to him as though you think he's an honorable, sympathetic figure who makes the trans movement look good is just plain bizarre.
BTW, at the time high school senior Lazuli Clark was making the finals in his correct sex cateory in that national singing contest last year, he was making headlines in the New England media for injuring three different female athletes in a single girls' HS basketball game - causing the team with the three injured girls to have to forfeit before the game was half over.
You're really showing your true colors by choosing to cape for this guy, mate. Talk about the mask being off. Yikes.
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So no healthcare, no reduction I’m food/housing costs, no jump in pay. Just blathering on about 1.6% of population that bigots get all worked up about. Cool.
Nikki is on the Instagram flipping out about this.
She's such a d@mn good runner but the constant carrying on over this crap gets tiring.
That’s because they are human being and should be able to do whatever the hell they want as long as they aren’t harming anybody else. Which they aren’t.
Now, that's what I call entitled, selfish and pushy.
BTW, Lazuli Clark - the latest bloke with a trans gender identity competing in girls' HS sports that you've brought up on this thread to show what a horrible evil bigot I am for wanting blokes out of female sports and spaces - apparenty played a big role in convincing NH lawmakers to pass a bill last spring barring males from girls' and women's sports as well as locker rooms.
Shortly before NH senators voted on the proposed bill at the statehouse in Concord in April, Clark injured three female players in a girls' HS basketball game in nearby Lowell MA - and word got out and around about Clark's history of sexually harrassing female rowers when he was allowed to compete in girls' rowing and use the female changing rooms two years before.
From NH Journal:
Bearded MA ‘Trans’ HS Athlete Injures Multiple Girls; Now Story Part of NH Debate
Posted to Politics April 04, 2024
The number of incidents involving biological males injuring female athletes during sports competitions continues to grow ahead of Friday’s New Hampshire Senate vote on a proposal to protect girls-only sports.
One recent injury was caught on camera during a girls’ basketball game in Massachusetts between Lowell Collegiate Charter School and KIPP Academy of Lynn. The video shows a bearded 6-foot-tall male KIPP Academy player, who reportedly identifies as female, ragdolling a female LCCS player as both competed for a rebound.
That was only one of three girls the player managed to injure before LCCS forfeited the game. The game itself did not even reach the second half.
KIPP’s executive director, Rhonda “Nikki” Barnes, told The Boston Globe the athlete identifies as transgender and is also on the girls’ volleyball and track teams.
“The vision of KIPP Massachusetts is that every child grows up free to create the future they want for themselves and their communities,” Barnes previously told Fox News.
And now there’s a new development involving the same KIPP Academy player regarding locker room access — and what can happen to girls when biological males are allowed to use the same athletic changing facilities. And it ensures the story will be part of the New Hampshire State House debate over banning biological males from girls’ sports.
A news magazine reports the athlete, LCCS senior Lazuli Clark, was accused by members of a female rowing club of making lewd comments as a female teammate undressed.
The allegation surfaced in an Oct. 12, 2022, complaint to the United States Rowing Association submitted by 15 parents of top Massachusetts female rowers. The news magazine Quillette recently obtained a copy of the letter.
“In one documented 2022 incident, it is alleged, Clark walked into the girls’ changing room, spotted a female rower who was topless, and made a lewd comment about her breasts (“Oooh, t*tties”),” Quillette reported. “As a result, documents reviewed by Quillette indicate, Clark was reported by team officials to the U.S. Center for SafeSport, a congressionally mandated body dedicated to ‘ending sexual, physical, and emotional abuse on behalf of athletes everywhere.’”
SafeSport reportedly took action later that year. Clark did not row for the club again.
Additionally, another parent reported Clark joined the female club team after performing poorly for the club’s male team.
The same report claims Clark never bothered to shave or “otherwise maintain the outward aesthetic pretenses of female gender identification.”
In 2023, Clark expressed frustration in an interview with a nonprofit education news outlet over others’ inability to be inclusive [of males who say they have a trans gender identity competing in girls and women's sports and using women's facilities]:
“Yesterday another state basically made it so that I can never exist in that state," Clark said. And it’s like, how’s anyone supposed to think about anything at all when there’s all of that going on?"
But of course I'm the one in the wrong here for daring to to call blokes like Clark "entitled, selfish and pushy" - when obviously they're all sainted, noble, purehearted, praiseworthy paragons of virtue utterly beyond reproach whom everyone should coddle and kowtow to coz nowdays big strapping blokes like Clark supposedly constitute "the most vulnerable in society." And if they don't get their way, they'll be driven to sewercide.
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