Law enforcement experts, how would the authorities know the UnitedHealthcare shooter was at a housing project miles away @ 5 am?

Douchebagsanonymous wrote:

Sleuther101 wrote:

False, it's not irrelevant and respectfully, you've missed the point. I realized and pointed out that someone will recognize him and that he knows it as well. But...even without the video they'd still get him.

You can buy from someone on the street, but you will still be found as the initial purchase has a starting point and it goes on from there and will be traced. Whoever sold it to him got the phones from someone and the trail will eventually lead to him....and that's IF he bought it on the street.

From a store? He's cooked. They can follow the cell towers and easily connect the dots. Think Gilgo Beach Killer. To say it was easy to catch him would be an understatement.

Why do you assume he's used or is using a phone at all?? A burner phone can use a prepaid sim card bought with cash....or by using local wifi. The phone he discarded at the scene may have only been used once and then discarded. ...It might seem impossible for some to believe, but you can live and function without a cell phone or credit cards...even in the modern world. And especially since he obviously went to great lengths and planning to escape undetected.

Sleuther101 wrote:

I am not assuming he is or isn't using a phone or that he did or didn't even have one on him. I am saying that these are strong possibilities as cell phone analytics have caught many, many bad people.

His biggest mistake, and he clearly knows it now, is unmasking himself. Shortly after that picture was released, probably less than 30 minutes at most, one or more neighbors, one or more co-workers, a cousin who hated his guts and having to see him at Christmas, an ex-girlfriend (or boyfriend--who knows) had contacted the police as to his identify.

The police have a name and now a living address. Yes, he could have hopped around with at friend's houses or Family, but his location was found. Because of the act that he allegedly committed, there is a law that forces cell phone/internet providers to give up information...yes, there really is.

Most likely, he owns a cell phone and pays a bill, maybe not, but most likely. The cell phone company can provide his number and verify his last address. They can now trace that cell phone wherever he goes. Could he have thrown it out, of course. But not likely as he'd have no communication with whoever does or doesn't know about his actions whether it be prior to it happening or afterwards. Of course, no one knows that now except the police who can see who he called days and weeks prior to the shooting and who he called afterwards. On a scale of 1 to 10, it's a 2 a most in terms of difficulty connecting the dots.

Wherever he lived, he's long gone if he wasn't already caught as he knows they'll be able to find him through whoever turned him in within 30 minutes of when that photo was released. If he was on a bus, they would not have the bused pulled over as he'd take a hostage in a heartbeat and someone else would be killed by the nutjob. They'd observe it and wait as they know he's got a weapon.

There are several scenarios, but most likely he had a traceable phone and his name and address were known quickly after that photo of his mask down was shown. He's on the run and will be caught, or take his own life. Getting out for the country would be difficult as all airports would have his name on a watch list and he'd never make it on the plane.

Kvothe wrote:

track chick wrote:

He could have just stolen the phone for all we know.

Sure. Bought with cash, bought on dark web, all kinds of possibilities. At this point we don't even know if the killer was an amateur or hired assassin.

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He could have entered the US months ago and carefully ensured he was not tracked at some point, breaking the chain to his identity. There are plenty of hotels/cabins/short term rentals where you just receive a key on premises or code by email for instance. The killing would have been planned so the killer disappeared again so that tracking of him could be severed or so that tracing him would lead to an airport from which he has long departed to Russia or some other country that is not going to extradite him - or he could just reemerge in a few weeks and go back to his old life. If he is a remote worker he may have already resumed a normal living.

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I think the amount of surveillance of American nationals and citizens is scary, but its at least comforting to know that it is not total, even though in this case it may have been done for nefarious purposes or vengeance at best.

Mal Feasance wrote:

Kvothe wrote:

Sure. Bought with cash, bought on dark web, all kinds of possibilities. At this point we don't even know if the killer was an amateur or hired assassin.

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He could have entered the US months ago and carefully ensured he was not tracked at some point, breaking the chain to his identity. There are plenty of hotels/cabins/short term rentals where you just receive a key on premises or code by email for instance. The killing would have been planned so the killer disappeared again so that tracking of him could be severed or so that tracing him would lead to an airport from which he has long departed to Russia or some other country that is not going to extradite him - or he could just reemerge in a few weeks and go back to his old life. If he is a remote worker he may have already resumed a normal living.

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I think the amount of surveillance of American nationals and citizens is scary, but its at least comforting to know that it is not total, even though in this case it may have been done for nefarious purposes or vengeance at best.

Do you know how many surveillance cameras are in London? = many.

Why did assassin use such a unique and glaringly distinct backpack?

Dammit, I asked you a question.

Fancy backpack wrote:

Sleuther101 wrote:

I am not assuming he is or isn't using a phone or that he did or didn't even have one on him. I am saying that these are strong possibilities as cell phone analytics have caught many, many bad people.

His biggest mistake, and he clearly knows it now, is unmasking himself. Shortly after that picture was released, probably less than 30 minutes at most, one or more neighbors, one or more co-workers, a cousin who hated his guts and having to see him at Christmas, an ex-girlfriend (or boyfriend--who knows) had contacted the police as to his identify.

The police have a name and now a living address. Yes, he could have hopped around with at friend's houses or Family, but his location was found. Because of the act that he allegedly committed, there is a law that forces cell phone/internet providers to give up information...yes, there really is.

Most likely, he owns a cell phone and pays a bill, maybe not, but most likely. The cell phone company can provide his number and verify his last address. They can now trace that cell phone wherever he goes. Could he have thrown it out, of course. But not likely as he'd have no communication with whoever does or doesn't know about his actions whether it be prior to it happening or afterwards. Of course, no one knows that now except the police who can see who he called days and weeks prior to the shooting and who he called afterwards. On a scale of 1 to 10, it's a 2 a most in terms of difficulty connecting the dots.

Wherever he lived, he's long gone if he wasn't already caught as he knows they'll be able to find him through whoever turned him in within 30 minutes of when that photo was released. If he was on a bus, they would not have the bused pulled over as he'd take a hostage in a heartbeat and someone else would be killed by the nutjob. They'd observe it and wait as they know he's got a weapon.

There are several scenarios, but most likely he had a traceable phone and his name and address were known quickly after that photo of his mask down was shown. He's on the run and will be caught, or take his own life. Getting out for the country would be difficult as all airports would have his name on a watch list and he'd never make it on the plane.

No. They don’t have an identity or address. That would be one of the first things they release to the public to apply pressure in finding him. All they have at this point is a burner phone which is a dead end.