Name ONE world-class, medal-contending, truly fast T&F/XC/marathon athlete who you TRULY believe does NOT dope

Good one !

Using EPO does nothing to prevent injuries or slow down the effects from aging. What steroid do think other runners are using?

I would agree to a point (52-low, high 51), but the jump to sub-51 really has me wondering.

Even though I started this thread, I kind of agree with you. I started it because there's part of me that wants to scrape down to the truth and wonder what human potential (+ super shoes) really is. But the crazy thing is that 98 percent of the time, when I'm watching a major World, OG or Diamond League meet, or US champs, I'm not thinking about who's doping or not. I tend to get into "take performances at face value" mode.

And, ya know, the WR was 27:39 for 10k track (Clarke) almost 60 years ago. Shouldn't human advancement plus shoes yield a 1:00-1:30 shift over six decades?

So I'm more conflicted when it comes down to it.

Since we don’t know who’s cheating, it’s impossible to “scrape down to the truth”.

Kirani James

Everyone in bowerman is doping. Everyone with Oregon project connections. I would imagine mike smiths group and otc is all doping, why take on a clean athlete when you’re okay with coaching dopers. It might be all grey area stuff, but it’s still a bummer. Desiree Linden is the only American I feel certain didn’t dope. She speaks out against cheaters unlike all these other co conspirators. She also ran normal times.

Herb Elliott

Yes! This. They were freaks as younger runners but somehow got surpassed as pros. That could be a sign that they were at the limit of natural ability and training. You'd have to add PEDs to go to yet another level from there...

Henry Rono. RIP

Unironically Centro - he was a tactical race merchant and never ran that fast in his career

Alberto hid the sauce from him because he thought he would be to powerful

Femke Bol

Meb and Ryan

Duplantis

I was kind of shocked to see so many people say they think Jakob is doping. That kid races so goddamn much and is so famous that he is easily, without a doubt, THE most tested track athlete in the world. For him to be doping and getting away with it would be insane... not totally impossible, but if you genuinely think doping tech is so advanced that Jakob is getting away with it then you have to believe the entire sport is meaningless smoke and mirrors.

If you gotta be snarky about anyone, try Josh Kerr. How many times does he race per olympic cycle? like 5-8? only one (good) reason to race that infrequently...

first person i ever did LSD with was Mormon and attending BYU

in addition to the aforementioned, we also consumed alcohol, nicotine and cannabis that night

Yeah Kersee only gives his athletes legal supplements. They are very passionately against doping.

Krachtovilova always struck me as clean. She just took lots of vitamins.

Paavo Nurmi, Roger Bannister and Ron Clarke.