No at-large individuals this year. Like Bo, I just know.
No individual at-larges this year is insane. CIF meet next week is gonna be an absolute dogfight. I wouldn't be shocked to see 2-3 14:30s across all divisions, weather dependent of course. It's a really deep year.
Does this mean that at CIF states, only the top 5 boys not affiliated with a qualifying team are the only ones eligible for NXN? No other at-larges? If true, you are going to see some epic races. There are at least 10 boys all capable of getting into the top 5.
Does this mean that at CIF states, only the top 5 boys not affiliated with a qualifying team are the only ones eligible for NXN? No other at-larges? If true, you are going to see some epic races. There are at least 10 boys all capable of getting into the top 5.
Are these the “10 boys all capable of getting into the top 5” you’re referring to? The top 10 returning runners by Woodward Park time?
1. Evan Noonan
2. Broen Holman
3. Eli Fitchen-young
4. Griffin Kushen
5. Landon Pretre
6. Aydon Stefanopoulos
7. Tyler Daillak
8. Eyan Turk
9. J.R. Lesher
10. Maximo Zavaleta
I don’t know. I feel like even then, we are leaving out a few viable individuals in Trey Caldwell, Ben Bouie, Dylan Flores, and Miles Cook
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Does this mean that at CIF states, only the top 5 boys not affiliated with a qualifying team are the only ones eligible for NXN? No other at-larges? If true, you are going to see some epic races. There are at least 10 boys all capable of getting into the top 5.
Are these the “10 boys all capable of getting into the top 5” you’re referring to? The top 10 returning runners by Woodward Park time?
1. Evan Noonan
2. Broen Holman
3. Eli Fitchen-young
4. Griffin Kushen
5. Landon Pretre
6. Aydon Stefanopoulos
7. Tyler Daillak
8. Eyan Turk
9. J.R. Lesher
10. Maximo Zavaleta
I don’t know. I feel like even then, we are leaving out a few viable individuals in Trey Caldwell, Ben Bouie, Dylan Flores, and Miles Cook
Trey Caldwell definitely deserves to be in the top 5 and imo might just be the overall favorite to get the best time. He's undefeated this season running much faster than previous seasons and having beat Eli Fitchen-Young by around 15 seconds to set the Crystal Springs course record.
Ben Bouie has a shot based off of his Crystal performance but I'd place him around 10th.
Not sure about the people saying Jesuit Nola should be in. What's their best resume builder? 7th place NXNSE Marvin Ridge?
They probably thought that before NXR NE happened, and stopped thinking that afterwards. Jesuit beat Ridgefield earlier in the season. People thought Ridgefield would autoqualify but they didn’t. So yeah, not much of a resume for Jesuit
I think it will be 2 SW, 1 CA team, and one South.
Bridgeland girls team missed NXN by 1 point, but they beat an autoqualifiers at state.
Not sure if CA will get two girls at large teams because last year Buchanan is the only CA girls team that finished high at NXN. The NXN conditions got the best of California.
But it also wouldn’t be surprising if it’s 2 CA and 2 SW for girls
Buchanan, Trabuco Hills, Santiago Corona, and JSerra are all highly ranked.
California Girls definitely deserve to run it back at NXN after that mess last year. From yesterday's Southwest NXR, I don't think an at-large berth will be given to that region, and the committee should not let 2023 bias carry into 2024. Fossil Ridge, Lone Peak and Niwot didn't do enough to deserve the invite to join Vista and Air Academy.
The team battle for NXN invites is starting to get clearer, but all that matters is this Saturday at Woodward. A 5-team race has reduced to 4, as Ventura's injuries have taken them out of the picture, unfortunately.
Buchanan's depth and balance should get them back on top of the State podium Saturday. With their young talent, they'll be good for the next few years, as usual.
Yesterday, Trabuco looked absolutely amazing with Barker and Bayles going 1-2 while Santiago's stars went 3-4.
J Serra competing against the weak competition in D4 just looks sillier every year. School size should be waived (by school's choice) when you're able to recruit talent.
It would be a travesty if any of those 4 teams don't go to NXN. Santiago did edge J Serra in the CIF merge so they would appear to have the inside track to the first at-large berth if they don't step up and defend their title on Saturday.
The individual race for girls is going to be ridiculously tight, with Sadie likely no longer going with a team invite while Barker and Bayles will go with their team.
Thomsen, Errington, DeBrouwer and Wilson are the favorites. Still unsure of Dailey and Williams' health. Girls like Gabby Peters and Isabella Ramirez will be rooting for Santiago to go as a team so Blade and Combe don't take individual spots.
Not sure about the people saying Jesuit Nola should be in. What's their best resume builder? 7th place NXNSE Marvin Ridge?
At least they tried to go out of region and compete against other teams unlike Rocky. 2 SW, 1 S, 1 CA. Not convinced CA deserves one but will probably get it based on historic strength of region
Any chance NXN committee will change their mind and offer individual at-large this year? Anyone know the history of the individual at-large? Was it tested last year and deemed unnecessary?
Not sure about the people saying Jesuit Nola should be in. What's their best resume builder? 7th place NXNSE Marvin Ridge?
At least they tried to go out of region and compete against other teams unlike Rocky. 2 SW, 1 S, 1 CA. Not convinced CA deserves one but will probably get it based on historic strength of region
Rocky knows eagle park better than anyone. It’s a tricky course. They train on that course. Then they wait for all the SEA LEVEL teams to come to their altitude course (2600ft), and then they use those bad sea level team results against them the entire season.
What are the chances they take an at large girls team from the Southeast?
Not impossible technically. It was the closest regional and Webb School has been ranked at times this year so they have that going in their favor. However it is quite unlikely and i would be very surprised if Webb School got in. They didn't travel to any big meets other than Great American and they didn't beat anyone of note there. I guess its a plus that they were much closer to Cardinal Gibbons yesterday than they were at Great American so you could argue they are peaking at the right time?
The only SE school that for sure would have gotten an at large is if Cardinal Gibbons was upset and got 3rd.
Any chance NXN committee will change their mind and offer individual at-large this year? Anyone know the history of the individual at-large? Was it tested last year and deemed unnecessary?
Speculation only, but with NY/NE regions moving up a week (and I think the SE moved up a week last year), there is no conflict with FL regional meets. The only athletes that cannot do both now are from the West region. And it's not a matter of choosing between regional meets. An athlete in the West region who qualifies for NXN out of the SW, NW, or CA can choose between a guaranteed trip to NXN or roll the dice with another regional meet.
Rocky Mountain would have autoqualified if their 5th man didn’t have an off race. I heard in Jesuit OR’s interview that Jesuit didn’t run their best race that day. But still did enough to autoqualify. This shows that none of the Northwest teams (except maybe CDA?) performed their best at NXR
Any chance NXN committee will change their mind and offer individual at-large this year? Anyone know the history of the individual at-large? Was it tested last year and deemed unnecessary?
Speculation only, but with NY/NE regions moving up a week (and I think the SE moved up a week last year), there is no conflict with FL regional meets. The only athletes that cannot do both now are from the West region. And it's not a matter of choosing between regional meets. An athlete in the West region who qualifies for NXN out of the SW, NW, or CA can choose between a guaranteed trip to NXN or roll the dice with another regional meet.
West region will be fine at footlocker this year. with no individual at-larges to nxn, the ones that don’t make it to nxn will hold their own weight at footlocker
At least they tried to go out of region and compete against other teams unlike Rocky. 2 SW, 1 S, 1 CA. Not convinced CA deserves one but will probably get it based on historic strength of region
Rocky knows eagle park better than anyone. It’s a tricky course. They train on that course. Then they wait for all the SEA LEVEL teams to come to their altitude course (2600ft), and then they use those bad sea level team results against them the entire season.
I find it funny that some people will say things like "Rocky shouldn't use altitude conversions because 2600 feet isn't really altitude" or "If they went to arcadia they wouldn't see any faster times from the altitude" and yet others are emphasiszing how they have an advantage against sea level teams. Which is it exactly?
Rocky knows eagle park better than anyone. It’s a tricky course. They train on that course. Then they wait for all the SEA LEVEL teams to come to their altitude course (2600ft), and then they use those bad sea level team results against them the entire season.
I find it funny that some people will say things like "Rocky shouldn't use altitude conversions because 2600 feet isn't really altitude" or "If they went to arcadia they wouldn't see any faster times from the altitude" and yet others are emphasiszing how they have an advantage against sea level teams. Which is it exactly?
Travel and beat good teams. Utah races aren’t that far from Idaho. Don’t get me wrong, I think Rocky should get a bid…
Any chance NXN committee will change their mind and offer individual at-large this year? Anyone know the history of the individual at-large? Was it tested last year and deemed unnecessary?
There were some very vocal complainers about at-large individual bids last year. Probably ruined it for the people this year