Amby Burfoot says it out loud - Chepngetich is doping

I agree with this. Where was this? Outrage after a one 1:59 marathon or a 7:17 3K?

The fact is, there’s no proof that she’s doping so she shouldn’t be scorned. Yes, you can look at it with a suspect eye, but for right now, we have to move on and give her credit where credit is due.

Also if she is doping or not, this is incredible performance, since we know some of the competitors she’s going up against certainly are likely doping as well.

Yes. Women are more competitive with men at very long distances. That's why women sometimes win ultras outright. Everyone knows this, except Ambrose J. Burfoot, it seems.

I think people misunderstand the true nature of the ‘competition.’ It’s not about how fast you can run while staying completely clean; it’s about how fast you can run while still passing today’s drug tests. Anything else is simply naive.

Amby says out loud: "And I admit that I could be wrong. After all, I have no evidence that Chepngetich cheated, as she has never failed a doping test" vs your title.

When Paula suddenly ran 2:15, she was very open about her willingness to be tested- both urine and blood- and made it clear that they should freeze her samples and re-test as testing became more inclusive of masking agents and various drugs.

That's where he was.

But really you people enjoy these fake performance!!? ??? What Is the future we give to the younger generation ??? A world full of cheaters and dopers????? I think you dont love the sport!!? Clean sport!!? Lets put Police investigations in Kenya Spy CAM Spy smartphone follow them everywhere expose them and try to save the sport this the only thing to do

THIS right here. The moderators have to control this garbage. We waste time arguing about something where the only way to find out is to test.

The people who want her to be a cheat will say that they're hiding positives. So there is no way for a reasonable person to win.

Yes, it's suspect, but accusing her is no different than accusing your dentist of cheating his way through Dental School.

As someone who's been following running for a very long time, I find the rampant doping accusations obnoxious. I can't help but wonder if, as others have suggested, Burfoot finds this record particularly galling because it's faster than his PR. I remember clearly when Radcliffe ran her very similar record, relative to men at the time, of 2:15. While there was murmuring about doping, it was nothing like this.

Of course it's possible Chepngetich is doping, but I don't find it any more or less likely than that Radcliffe, Keira D'Amato, Kiptum (rip), Hassan, and others.

I suspect many of the men spluttering about this record, like Burfoot, are looking at Chepngetich's performance and it's making them feel inadequate.

is this actually true in this day and age? I feel like people are imagining epo sludge blood and the kidney/heart/etc destruction that joe from the gym who eats steroids for breakfast might get.

I find it hard to believe that modern doping under the supervision of a qualified professional would be any more unhealthy than running excessive miles or riding the line between anorexic and slim.

So Ruth Chepngetich runs 2:09:56, and suddenly the male ego collectively implodes like it’s been personally insulted. Because, of course, when a woman shatters a marathon record, it’s not a historic moment—it’s a direct assault on manhood everywhere. Meanwhile, Kelvin Kiptum blasts through with a 2:00:35 in Chicago, and we treat him like Zeus himself, cape fluttering in the wind. Eliud Kipchoge clocks 2:01:09, and we’re all ready to name an Olympic stadium after him. No one’s asking if he’s a ‘real man’

But the moment a woman does the impossible, the world seems to tilt off its axis. Men suddenly stare off into space, realizing they’ve come up short in life. Maybe their kids won’t be the fastest ever, maybe that ‘superhero’ status they were hanging onto wasn’t quite as solid as they thought….And let’s not forget: three Mormon boys from Utah and some kid from Michigan and Indiana ran absolutely unreal races in Paris, but not a peep from the running gatekeepers like Amby B.

Apparently, you’ve got to break the rules of time and space, and now male ego to get noticed.

Let’s set the whole doping and performance-enhancing conversation aside for a moment.

Clearly, we’re all just fine celebrating plenty of enhanced performances when they fit the narrative or when it comes from our tribe, right?

Honestly, what’s the real issue here? Is it that a woman ran 2:09 or that deep down we’re all forced to confront the fact that we might not be as superhuman as we’d like to believe? It’s primal, it’s unsettling, and it stirs something even in the wokest minds—because when your identity hangs on the notion of being ‘the fastest,’ a record like this hits hard.
But maybe, just maybe, it’s time to recalibrate our definition of ‘superhero.’

Because if a woman running 4:57 per mile rattles your sense of self, that’s not on her—it’s on you.”

LOLs

Biggest fraud of all time that record, IMO.. How she got away with it I will never know.

A shorter version of this: When a guy breaks a world record, does Amby calculate whether that's more than 10% faster than the women's record? If so, does he conclude that the guy must be cheating?

Also, if I were a woman, I don't know that I'd be looking to a 78-year-old man to tell me which women runners I should and shouldn't be inspired by.

Wow he’s actually comparing Ruth to Rosie Ruiz. Tough to take Amby seriously after that

They are not all on drugs, that's BS. American and other European women can barely ever break 2:20 and Kenyans are breaking 2:10. Saying everyone's on drugs is like saying the East Germans, Polish and Russian women setting all those records in the 70's and 80's. records that still last today were fine. This marathon record should be met with the same doubt as Marita Koch's 400m record or the 800M record. Pretty soon these Kenyan and Ethiopian women will be running 2:08 and 2:07 marathons. What will people say then?

…anyway, most likely is that they are now on a new pair of amazing shoes

100% Amby!

you don't need to see the 208

its already way way off in science fiction outer space with the 209

that time wins the olympics men in recent past, and those guys had great talent and trained like dogs.

turns out, a portion of people will believe anything what so ever

men can have babies

the common cold did not exist during covid

cow farts affect the climate

transgender multiple genders, 10 genders of frogs, science supports that

a portion of the population will believe or conform to anything what so ever

anything

anything

... on to infinity

I think it was on Sunday or Monday when I read that the NFL is "noticing" that long field goals are getting longer and more successful. Successful field goals of 55-61 yards are more common now than they were maybe three plus years ago. There's no suggestion of cheating. Kickers have gotten better. But it is a situation that the NFL needs to think about both for now and for the future. What if in, say ten years, field goals of 80 to 90 yards become as common as 50-55 yard ones are now? If so should the league narrow the cross bars? Widen the hash marks? Both? Stop using specific balls for kicks that make it easier to make kicks? Or should the League just accept that teams will usually score 15-30 points more per game on average with little or no corresponding uptick in offensive production?

Distance running has reached kind of a similar spot. We know that women "normally" cannot run marathons in under 2:10. That they will now begin to do so means that something "abnormal" is going on. That does not necessarily mean that the abnormalities are, or are not, illegal. But something is very different in the sport now to allow for the performances we're seeing and it's by no means very different with only women's running. And it's long, long, past time for the people administering the sport and paying the expense, prize, and bonus, money to admit that something is very different in the sport and they need to acknowledge that difference, try to understand and quantify it, and decide what sort of response they should have to it just as the NFL needs to begin to think what the sport would be like if in the future nearly every offensive possession that does not end with a turnover ends with points being scored.

The sport absolutely needs someone to address the topic Amby is addressing here. It r eally should be someone with official standing, i.e., Lord Coe who has absolutely failed the sport and should have been sent away years ago. But if not Coe then Amby. The last thing the sport needs is people vilifying and insulting him and others who address these topics. Sure, it's Amby's fragile male ego responding here because a woman has finally managed a full marathon at a per mile pace faster than he could do. We can just ignore the fact that the previous women's record was also much faster than his best time was.

Citations are needed for those who don't understand the sport.