Yeah, no reason to believe that he has improved his 5k time. His 3k WR and theee championship golds does not say anything about his 5k ability.
Those records say a lot about his ability over those distances. So why hasn't he similarly improved his 5k time in over 3 years, when he says he wants all the records?
Because he haven't needed to run close to his pb to win golds. The only 5000 races he have been in have more or less been championships.
Thank you for making it clear that you don't follow the sport.
So you can't explain it.
Oh, I can. And I have. More than once. Others have too! But you seem to have a problem with understanding simple explanations. In your eagerness to discredit Jakob's career, you overlook the obvious.
Those records say a lot about his ability over those distances. So why hasn't he similarly improved his 5k time in over 3 years, when he says he wants all the records?
Because he haven't needed to run close to his pb to win golds. The only 5000 races he have been in have more or less been championships.
But you guys say this is his best event and yet he doesn't run it outside championships. Looks like a guy who isn't interested in getting the record - or doesn't think he can get it.
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Oh, I can. And I have. More than once. Others have too! But you seem to have a problem with understanding simple explanations. In your eagerness to discredit Jakob's career, you overlook the obvious.
So you still can't explain it. Why hasn't a guy who says he wants all the distance records not attempted the 5k record and hasn't improved on his best in 3 years?
So you still can't explain it. Why hasn't a guy who says he wants all the distance records not attempted the 5k record and hasn't improved on his best in 3 years?
Because he’s 24 and likely isn’t in a rush. Plus, his 1500m is a great base to guarantee his chance at any WR. If you had 3:43 Mile PR would you worry about moving up? Probably not. He can practically jog 60 second laps for atleast the 4K which is something even Cheptegei couldn’t do.
Oh, I can. And I have. More than once. Others have too! But you seem to have a problem with understanding simple explanations. In your eagerness to discredit Jakob's career, you overlook the obvious.
So you still can't explain it. Why hasn't a guy who says he wants all the distance records not attempted the 5k record and hasn't improved on his best in 3 years?
To be fair, Hagos Gebrhiwet did PR/Nearly set a WR at the ripe age of 30. 12:36 5000m ain't no joke, he could very well attack the 10,000m WR and have an equal chance of it as Joshua Cheptegei did in 2020. I'd say Jakob has until atleast the 2028 Olympics to take the 10,000m seriously. After all, Gebrselassie did go Sub-26:30 at age 30 in 2003.
As long as Jakob can
1) Be in Sub-3:30 1500m fitness
and
2) Get the WR in the 5000m or Have broken the 12:40 Barrier in the 5K
I'd say he should be fine.
Absolutely true, BUT:
Hagos ran the 2nd fastest 5000 ever at 30 (uber impressive would be an understatement) sitting just behind Kejelcha acting as an -unwillingly- perfect pacer just until the bell.
And, when JI goes for it, It will be an "official" WR attempt and he will run the last 2km on his own as Chep had to.
I just wrote about this on another thread, but if he is serious about the 10000m he needs to start thinking about running some real soon. He doesn't have an endlessly open window for peak performance which just keeps being extended as he chooses to go up distance.
These records are still really good - I don't think "twilight of his career" Jakob can just step out there and have them on a platter. I'm still surprised people think it's feasible he spends 3-4 hard years trying to put away the 1500m record and will then simply be like "now I will spend the next 3-4 trying to put away the 5 and 10". He can move up in distance and still be uber competitive - maybe even the worlds best at a key spot like the OG's (like El G over 5000m) but the breaking the WR's is going to need him at his absolute career best and those days are now.
Like you I do think he has the ability to beat the 5000m WR - absolutely, but it's in 2025 and 26 at the latest. I just don't see a 10000m focus falling into that timeframe.
Someone mentioned the 26.59 of Solinsky and how if he could do that then surely Jakob at a much higher level of talent should be considerably faster. Again sure, but Solinksy also did this at his careers peak performance apex. Jakob past his peak could still be better than that - not 47 seconds better though.
I just wrote about this on another thread, but if he is serious about the 10000m he needs to start thinking about running some real soon. He doesn't have an endlessly open window for peak performance which just keeps being extended as he chooses to go up distance.
These records are still really good - I don't think "twilight of his career" Jakob can just step out there and have them on a platter. I'm still surprised people think it's feasible he spends 3-4 hard years trying to put away the 1500m record and will then simply be like "now I will spend the next 3-4 trying to put away the 5 and 10". He can move up in distance and still be uber competitive - maybe even the worlds best at a key spot like the OG's (like El G over 5000m) but the breaking the WR's is going to need him at his absolute career best and those days are now.
Like you I do think he has the ability to beat the 5000m WR - absolutely, but it's in 2025 and 26 at the latest. I just don't see a 10000m focus falling into that timeframe.
Someone mentioned the 26.59 of Solinsky and how if he could do that then surely Jakob at a much higher level of talent should be considerably faster. Again sure, but Solinksy also did this at his careers peak performance apex. Jakob past his peak could still be better than that - not 47 seconds better though.
To be fair, Hagos Gebrhiwet did PR/Nearly set a WR at the ripe age of 30. 12:36 5000m ain't no joke, he could very well attack the 10,000m WR and have an equal chance of it as Joshua Cheptegei did in 2020. I'd say Jakob has until atleast the 2028 Olympics to take the 10,000m seriously. After all, Gebrselassie did go Sub-26:30 at age 30 in 2003.
As long as Jakob can
1) Be in Sub-3:30 1500m fitness
and
2) Get the WR in the 5000m or Have broken the 12:40 Barrier in the 5K
I'd say he should be fine.
And let's not forget about improved testing. The 5k/10k WR were set in the heyday of EPO. It's only after around 2005 or so when EPO testing had become more reliable, which might explain a lack of improvement in the WR, rather than aging.
Anyway, for the 5k/10k, it's not unusual for an athlete to reach their peak performance after 30. Case in point, Molly Huddle ran her life-time PB in the 10k (which is still the AR) at almost 32.
Instead of running out of time (or youth), the real issue is injuries. Actually he already had one last year that sidelined him for months. Both of his brothers are all plagued with injures. While he's clearly the most durable out of the three, he's still flesh and bone. His body can only be pushed for so long without breaking down with all those wears and tears. If he does get a bad one that sees him go under the knife, he may never come back.
So you still can't explain it. Why hasn't a guy who says he wants all the distance records not attempted the 5k record and hasn't improved on his best in 3 years?
Because he’s 24 and likely isn’t in a rush. Plus, his 1500m is a great base to guarantee his chance at any WR. If you had 3:43 Mile PR would you worry about moving up? Probably not. He can practically jog 60 second laps for atleast the 4K which is something even Cheptegei couldn’t do.
He isn't "in a rush"? What was the rush for the 2k and 3k records - but not the 5k record? That has been languishing on the shelf. So he can just pick all the records off at his leisure? Sure he can. He's Ingebrigtsen - his career will go on forever.
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So you still can't explain it. Why hasn't a guy who says he wants all the distance records not attempted the 5k record and hasn't improved on his best in 3 years?
You don't understand what "focus" means.
He's not focused on improving time-wise in his "best" distance and taking the wr? I suppose that must be because it's such an unimportant distance.
He's not focused on improving time-wise in his "best" distance and taking the wr? I suppose that must be because it's such an unimportant distance.
Yep. Exactly. The 5K/10K are significantly less important than the 1500m. This is why Jakob has already surpassed the career of Mo Farah. The 1500m Olympic Gold is worth like 5-10X a 5K or 10K gold.
He's not focused on improving time-wise in his "best" distance and taking the wr? I suppose that must be because it's such an unimportant distance.
Who said the 5000m is his best distance? Just about every LRer poster considers it to be the 3000m.
It's technically his best event, sure, but I wouldn't say a non championship distance is his best event considering how rarely it's ran, fewer people take it seriously and every race is a time trial and there's little tactics involved.
In the 5k he's competing against the fastest field ever, hasn't lost since he was a teenager and has shown he can win different types of tactical races.
Who said the 5000m is his best distance? Just about every LRer poster considers it to be the 3000m.
It's technically his best event, sure, but I wouldn't say a non championship distance is his best event considering how rarely it's ran, fewer people take it seriously and every race is a time trial and there's little tactics involved.
In the 5k he's competing against the fastest field ever, hasn't lost since he was a teenager and has shown he can win different types of tactical races.
Armstronglivs is talking about WRs, and Ingebrigtsen’s 3000m is an outstanding one. Jakob can be slightly better at 3000m, yet still set a 5000m WR.
Armstronglivs is talking about WRs, and Ingebrigtsen’s 3000m is an outstanding one. Jakob can be slightly better at 3000m, yet still set a 5000m WR.
I've started another -unsuccessful- thread regarding just this.
IMO, the 5000 is the most brutal, mentally demanding of the long distance running events, excluding steeple and the marathon (never ran one).
For a slug like me, and being 10000 my benchmark, running an equivalent 3000 is pretty uncomfortable for the first km (pace is tricky), but once locked in it's a hard but short grind.
But I've never been able to run a 5000 equivalent to my 3000 performance.
The closest I got, I had the strategy to stick to a pace for the first 4000 and increase it soooo slightly the last km to reach the goal time. I was redlining so badly that I lacked the guts to speed up just that tiny bit and just held the pace for dear life, missing for 3-4".
I tried three or four times more and always had to stop with a mile or so to go.
I know there are studies in that regard: above the mile/below the marathon and excluding the steeple, what is the physiologically harder/most pain inducing distance? Any insight?
Maaaaybe JI struggles with the +5:15 extra time hitting 95% HR, too.
Guy strikes me as someone who can clench their teeth and endure the grind, but besides his freakishly great engine, he'd need to overcome huge amounts of pain to dip under 12:35.
And -never ran one, were road races- I've read several times that a 10000 TT on the track, running alone the last 12 laps, is absolute sheer agony.
He's not focused on improving time-wise in his "best" distance and taking the wr? I suppose that must be because it's such an unimportant distance.
Imagine that, the self-proclaimed expert doesn't know that it's normal for athletes to move up in distance as they get older, and that Jakob is trying his best at the shorter distances before he does so. What an expert you are!
He's not focused on improving time-wise in his "best" distance and taking the wr? I suppose that must be because it's such an unimportant distance.
Yep. Exactly. The 5K/10K are significantly less important than the 1500m. This is why Jakob has already surpassed the career of Mo Farah. The 1500m Olympic Gold is worth like 5-10X a 5K or 10K gold.
A purely subjective view. But why are the 2k, 3k and 2 mile records more important than the 5k record - as Ingebrigtsen shows?
Who said the 5000m is his best distance? Just about every LRer poster considers it to be the 3000m.
It's technically his best event, sure, but I wouldn't say a non championship distance is his best event considering how rarely it's ran, fewer people take it seriously and every race is a time trial and there's little tactics involved.
In the 5k he's competing against the fastest field ever, hasn't lost since he was a teenager and has shown he can win different types of tactical races.
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