Here's a real life example from the stone ages. From my training logs. 8.5 mile measured morning magneto loop.
Didn't figure out the pace until decades later. Very interesting what the results show. As fitness improves, the paces that match with the effort assessment changes too. Who'd a thunk it?
I checked this thread 3 days later and now it's been derailed again by Armstronglivs rambling... this looks like it's gonna turn into the "Jakob wants to be the GOAT" thread where he'll still be arguing with people a month later lol. Impressive as the thread had nothing to do with Jakob in the first place
So your contribution is to make me the subject of the thread?
In terms of records, Ingebrigtsen at the moment is behind Clarke. Looking on all their achievements he clearly already is ahead of him.
Likely doping? Do you have some knowledge we don't have? Why don't you forward this to Coe and WA?
The issue is not who is better but to simply point out that there were great runners in the past some of whose achievements Ingebrigtsen has yet to match - if he ever does.
Gotta be Solinsky. He’s the only pro I know of with video proof of his world championship finalist teammates (Simon Bairu & Tegenkamp) saying he ran too fast for them to keep up on their easy days. To quote the man, mid 5:30 mile on an easy day… “My dead grandma could run this pace. We’re professionals.”
In her heyday, Mary Decker supposedly never trained any slower than 6:00/mile. There was a story that she ran 10 miles in @55 minutes the day after she set one of her world records.
She was relatively low mileage for a world class runner (60 miles/week avg.), but running that fast on training runs probably explains at least some of her injury issues.
Here's a real life example from the stone ages. From my training logs. 8.5 mile measured morning magneto loop.
Didn't figure out the pace until decades later. Very interesting what the results show. As fitness improves, the paces that match with the effort assessment changes too. Who'd a thunk it?
When I read the question I even thought of you :-)
I always feel like you had quite a quick easy pace. You seem to usually have run in the 5:35 - 6:00 range as easy pace and ran a 1:01 half marathon, what means Ryan Hall for example would have been going 5:25 - 5:50 if he operated at the same rates and Kiplimo like 5:15 - 5:40. While this is definitely possible (we see it from you, Malmo), there are other elites for sure running more like 6:20ish or even 7:00ish as general easy pace.
Malmo, do you think if someone like Ryan Hall ran quicker "easy" runs, that it would have brought him even more fitness?
I always feel like when you do some really hard workouts you usually might need those super slow jogs, but it might be just being used to it or not.
I love this question and have seen it pop up a few times on the boards. I do think phrasing it as "easy runs" isn't always what is meant but rather "mileage runs" works better. Some people can just consistently hammer their mileage runs and still recover, even though I'm sure if you looked at their HR data or other metrics you'd wag your finger and tell them they aren't in the "easy" zone.
Anyways... I'd seen Ron Clarke suggested for this as he apparently used to work down to 4:40 pace on some of his laps of the horse racing field when doing his training and I think in a doc on him they mention him doing regular 20 mile runs in the low 5 minute range to the Aussie rules football ground on weekends. Another I haven't seen mentioned in this thread but have heard quotes of really strong mileage runs is Joachim Cruz. This surprised me for an 800 guy but I remember seeing he'd do mileage in the mid 5 minute range and occasionally do early season fitness tests of 10 milers in the low 50s.
Do you also make fun of Ron Clarke for falling in an Olympic final? Did you know that El Guerrouj fell in his first Olympic final, lost his second, and is still considered the 1500m/mile GOAT? I know who is not a winner. You.
You missed the context here. Jakob walks up hills on his easy runs.
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