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1 year ago 09/20/2024 12:07pm EDT

re: Old Big East4

Old Big East4 wrote:
Something else to consider. Men's Tennis is the number one dropped sport by NCAA schools. It does not help you Title IX wise. Many team rosters are solely international. It is one thing at a Power 4 school where only winning matters. However at a regional state funded university when you tell your AD & President that you have to recruit internationally to be competitive, then the reply may be "why do we keep the sport?"
Years ago I knew a tennis coach who told me he finally gave up. Every year he would go to the coach's convention and would stand up saying that they were killing the future of American tennis. Other coaches would just roll their eyes at him. On one thread we rant about how important collegiate "Olympic" sports are for the USA. If you are a taxpayer, is the reply "who's Olympic team?"

Having lots of internationals on an NCAA sports team generates immeasurable value in the social and educational realms,, especially at smaller regional schools with a majority populaion that rarely if ever interacts with non-US citizens.

1 year ago 09/20/2024 1:22pm EDT

re: . .

If Hicks is a US citizen then he's a traitor wearing a Great Britain shirt

1 year ago 09/20/2024 1:33pm EDT

re: ironiclol

ironiclol wrote:
Leftist Larry wrote:
Pulling in established East African runners seems like an ugly way to win.
New Mexico, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Arkansas are all teams that I have very little respect for. Especially 25 or 26 year olds competing.
what about international teams that have Europeans? Iona? Furman? Wisconsin has a lot. Nobody has a problem with Charles Hicks, or Morgan Mcdonald winning NCAA's. You just don't like the african internationals.

Furman has had one international athlete in the last 15+ years....

1 year ago 09/20/2024 2:57pm EDT

re: MattHatter

MattHatter wrote:
it's always rubbed me the wrong way when coaches take a shortcut and grab ready made pro's. especially last year. I thought OSU and NAU could have had a duel for the ages, especially after they tied in '22. could have been a great rivalry and provided drama to a sport that desperately needs it. but when I saw Dave Smith recruit two Kenyans I knew it was over.
unfortunately the athletic departments don't care. they want trophies, plain and simple, and as long as nobody is cheating (or doesn't get caught cheating) they'll do whatever they have to do. it's about survival.
and this isn't going to stop, especially with the new NCAA rules where Kenyans are basically being paid to run for college teams. I don't blame them at all. It's the opportunity of a lifetime. and none of these coaches care, if adding 3 Kenyans can help them get a bonus or an extended contract believe me they'll do it.
I give it 5 years before mens and womens XC turn into the NYC Marathon - top loaded with Kenyans. all the great high school phenoms, the future Parker Valbys and Nico Youngs, will be lucky make the top 20.

This same issue exists at the high school level. Schools use their henchmen to round up the best kids from 8-10 neighboring towns (counties even), get them all at the same school, and get all these props for "developing great teams." How bout no, you got a bunch of ready-made studs and the winning is locked in. Just keep them healthy.

Rita Gary is right that the media play a role in elevating teams who succeed this way. At the high school level, these teams dominate the media coverage. They are comped entries and travel expenses, they're thrown free custom gear by meet directors (NBN vs Nike).

So what happens? The teams leverage that when they go to reel in the next batch of all-stars. Wow kids and parents with stories of free travel, free gear, national exposure, and big records. These are kids who would succeed pretty much anywhere. Put them all in the same uniform and it's a complete joke.

1 year ago 09/20/2024 2:59pm EDT

re: Leftist Larry

It seemed like the NCAA XC crowds were growing at the conference and national championship. The reality is that lots of those new fans are drawn in by runners they knew about or followed at the high school level.

One thing is guaranteed - recruiting 28yr old freshman from overseas is going to drive away those new fans and XC will become even more obscure than it is now which is a damn shame. Felt like the sport was gaining national momentum.

1 year ago 09/20/2024 3:06pm EDT

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Most Africans speak English.

As well as 3 to 5 other languages

1 year ago 09/20/2024 3:06pm EDT

re: Factsoverfeelings

Factsoverfeelings wrote:
I think the OP is specifying the East Africans and Kenyans is because they cheat. There is no regulation over there. All they do is dope. Nearly 300 athletes from Kenya have been punished for using banned substances since 2015.

NCAA does not test?

1 year ago 09/20/2024 3:07pm EDT

re: fandom

You said that crowds have been increasing.

1 year ago 09/20/2024 3:10pm EDT

re: Thisisntaraceissue

Thisisntaraceissue wrote:
Newname wrote:
How about Irish, British, Aussies? Those are okay?
What about 25 year old Mormons? Good to go?
There’s way too much focus on nationality and accusations of racism in here. The issues is 100% age based,

The OP mentioned East Africans, and nobody else.

it is literally being done right now wrote:
Newname wrote:
Why do you think that? Tons of white foreigners competing at the NCAA level
I don't know if you are having trouble understanding or you haven't been following recent recruiting updates. There is a massive increase in the amount of East African athletes who are clearly older coming into the NCAA.

You have data on that?

1 year ago 09/20/2024 3:20pm EDT

re: Newname

No because it is not true.

1 year ago 09/20/2024 3:52pm EDT

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Maybe.

Does anyone know what kind of PED testing is done on Div 1 scholarship athletes

1 year ago 09/20/2024 3:52pm EDT

re: jerry Lunder

jerry Lunder wrote:
No because it is not true.

What isn't?

1 year ago 09/20/2024 4:17pm EDT

re: Leftist Larry

I also have little respect for the Kenyans as well, since they are super old and cheat

1 year ago 09/20/2024 4:39pm EDT

re: HRE

HRE wrote:
creat catsby wrote:
Lasse Viren ran for BYU.
Yes, barely. I believe Vataanien did as well but neither lasted more than a year. And the whole episode seems really odd because Viren always has a translator when he's speaking to English speakers.

byu assumed that he would learn English during his twelve years of eligibility

1 year ago 09/20/2024 6:01pm EDT

re: stoned ed

stoned ed wrote:
HRE wrote:
Yes, barely. I believe Vataanien did as well but neither lasted more than a year. And the whole episode seems really odd because Viren always has a translator when he's speaking to English speakers.
byu assumed that he would learn English during his twelve years of eligibility

If true things were different then than now I believe.

1 year ago 09/20/2024 9:21pm EDT

re: Bysjsjsjsj

Bysjsjsjsj wrote:
What do y’all think of mandatory reporting (if it is’t already a thing) and getting TFRRS to add these two things to rankings.
- Age as of [pick the date]
- Nationality
That way LR grumps could run their own home grown age based rankings.

But I bet you are against Trump's wall?

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