Being a good collegiate miler - which isn't world class - didn't translate into her professional career. So what has she done since college over that distance? You do know she is 28?
She’s had multiple low key 1500 wins in 4:00, and was 4th in the 2022 U.S. 1500 final behind 3 women with 3:55-3:57 PBs and ahead of 5 women who have now gone sub-4.
^After a dawdling 1st lap, Schweizer ran the last 1100m at 3:54.55 pace.
Based on these facts, it’s likely she could run 3:57ish in the right race. Don’t ask “Why doesn’t she race the 1500 as her primary event then” because if you’re keeping up with the decade, you know 3:57 doesn’t earn you a spot on the U.S. team or guarantee you a spot in a global final. Besides, as Schweizer alluded to post-race, she’s better at those distances as time trials rather than tactical kicker’s races.
And you seem to think the mile exists in a vacuum completely independent of 3k/5k ability. What the hell is that. It’s completely unsurprising that a woman who’s run 8:25 and 14:26 and is consistently one of America’s best 5k runners is going to be capable of blitzing a good mile.
Being a 4:00 runner doesn't suggest "blitzing" true milers.
This was not some random 5k turkey trot. This is arguably one of the most world-renown mile road races, going back 43 years, run in the Big Apple metropolis.
It doesn't matter if it's the biggest, most important road mile in the world; it's still just a road mile. This is a payday and a chance for a fun weekend trip for most athletes. Most of the great athletes that have competed here are running on fumes by the time this race rolls around. It's the traditional last gasp of a miler's season.
KS had a great result, no doubt, but it doesn't mean she's a better miler than all of these women. She hardly ran this spring, so she was probably the only person on the line not desperate for a vacation.
I suppose that's how Laura Muir felt, too, when she set the record that Schweizer has just equalled.
I didn’t pay that much attention to the sodium bicarbonate chatter, but is there something like that out there which can turn a decent 5000m runner into a world class miler?
I’m not a pro runner, but just looking at results and times for a few years, this result is a real shocker to me.
To reiterate with emphasis, is there something like that out there which can turn a decent 5000m runner into a world class miler, in a matter of just weeks, if not days??
I have just a standard knowledge, as a fan, of PEDs, and certainly not firsthand knowledge. astro’s post’s tick me off because I never thought (or maybe never wanted to think) it could be so effective. But generate effectiveness in a matter of weeks, if not days??
Why would you need to be "turned into" anything? Seems like if your training is right, you could be darn good at both at the same time. Jakob Ingy would like to have a chat.
Being a good collegiate miler - which isn't world class - didn't translate into her professional career. So what has she done since college over that distance? You do know she is 28?
28? So she'd still be a junior at BYU?
Only a hobby-jogger thinks training works for only one specific distance.
And you do know she set the American 3000m record after college. Even a Florida math graduate could figure out that's more than 600m closer to a mile than it is to 5000m.
Only a plonker doesn't realise top athletes specialise - as she has. She has never been a top ranked miler in her senior career. And 3000m is close to two miles.
To reiterate with emphasis, is there something like that out there which can turn a decent 5000m runner into a world class miler, in a matter of just weeks, if not days??
I have just a standard knowledge, as a fan, of PEDs, and certainly not firsthand knowledge. astro’s post’s tick me off because I never thought (or maybe never wanted to think) it could be so effective. But generate effectiveness in a matter of weeks, if not days??
Why would you need to be "turned into" anything? Seems like if your training is right, you could be darn good at both at the same time. Jakob Ingy would like to have a chat.
Yet endless threads here point out the "right training" is focused on specific events, which is why athletes are good at some events and not others. You guys want it both ways - when it suits.
You said that she is getting attention only because it is great for her. But you couldn't answer my question. Any American who.would have won yesterday in this time would have gotten the same attention. You are wrong again.
Strange that this tailwind helped Schweizer in a tremendous way, but didn’t seem to help others, like Emily Mackay, who took silver in the 1500m Olympic Trials, nor her Team-Boston teammate, Heather MacLean, even though that Boston group specializes in mid-distance.
For instance, look at Whittni Morgan’s time. Morgan probably has been thought to have better athleticism than Schweizer, and at least as fast over mid-distance. Morgan, when not injured, usually shows up each race running to her potential. She lost by 7 seconds in a 5000m three days ago to Schweizer. So maybe one would figure over a 1609m race, she would maybe lose by 2-3 seconds, at most, to Schweizer. Morgan showed up today and raced well, essentially running the same time as McKay. But Schweizer crushed her by more than eight seconds!
I think Schweizer’s comparison to Whittni Morgan really puts Schweizer’s incredible and unusual performance yesterday into perspective. Both athletes had late starts to their seasons due to injury. Both athletes have been on an upswing. Both athletes have been continuing to train hard. Indeed, just two weeks ago, Coach Diljeet Taylor was imploring (encouraging) Morgan at a high altitude workout, “holy crap, 4:21, FINISH IT, FINISH IT!” https://www.instagram.com/reel/C-5vzAoR1Rd/?igsh=YzAzYnliazV5aXA0
Now quite interestingly, Morgan soundly defeated Schweizer by 2 seconds in a 1500m just a couple of months ago; a video of that race is here:
But in just 8 weeks time, Schweizer has flipped the table, crushing Morgan in a road mile by 8 seconds. That’s a huge 10-11 second flip in the athlete-to-athlete comparison.
It doesn't matter if it's the biggest, most important road mile in the world; it's still just a road mile. This is a payday and a chance for a fun weekend trip for most athletes. Most of the great athletes that have competed here are running on fumes by the time this race rolls around. It's the traditional last gasp of a miler's season.
KS had a great result, no doubt, but it doesn't mean she's a better miler than all of these women. She hardly ran this spring, so she was probably the only person on the line not desperate for a vacation.
I suppose that's how Laura Muir felt, too, when she set the record that Schweizer has just equalled.
I watched that race of Muir; she was absolutely gassed, almost in a fetal position afterwards.
Only a hobby-jogger thinks training works for only one specific distance.
And you do know she set the American 3000m record after college. Even a Florida math graduate could figure out that's more than 600m closer to a mile than it is to 5000m.
Only a plonker doesn't realise top athletes specialise - as she has. She has never been a top ranked miler in her senior career. And 3000m is close to two miles.
Got it - to a hobby jogger like you I'm not a top athlete and there's no way I could train for both the 1500m and 5000m.
BTW, how's your training for your 10k ultra going? Make sure you keep it in zone 1, you would want to drift into 5k marathon training by accident
I think Schweizer’s comparison to Whittni Morgan really puts Schweizer’s incredible and unusual performance yesterday into perspective. Both athletes had late starts to their seasons due to injury. Both athletes have been on an upswing. Both athletes have been continuing to train hard. Indeed, just two weeks ago, Coach Diljeet Taylor was imploring (encouraging) Morgan at a high altitude workout, “holy crap, 4:21, FINISH IT, FINISH IT!”
But in just 8 weeks time, Schweizer has flipped the table, crushing Morgan in a road mile by 8 seconds. That’s a huge 10-11 second flip in the athlete-to-athlete comparison.
Edit: Morgan beat Schweizer in that race by 0.2 seconds, not 2 seconds.
You said that she is getting attention only because it is great for her. But you couldn't answer my question. Any American who.would have won yesterday in this time would have gotten the same attention. You are wrong again.
You missed my point - as always. No other American was close to her and that included milers. Anyone who ran her time to equal the record would have gotten attention but she wasn't picked to do it - for obvious reasons (except to you).
But Jenny Simpson was a world champion 1500m runner, two-time 1500m world championship silver medalist, and 1500m Olympic bronze medalist whose PRs in the 1500m and 3000m are 3 and 10 seconds faster than Schweizer's, respectively. Are super shoes closing those gaps?
Jenny's 3k PR is 4 seconds slower than Schweizer's, and her 5k PR is 30 seconds slower. If you're 30 seconds faster than someone in a 5k, you're going to be faster than them in a mile, even if you're not a true miler and they are.
No disrespect to one of the most decorated milers in history, but Jenny was mostly a great tactician with good closing speed who raced in a far less competitive era.
Only a plonker doesn't realise top athletes specialise - as she has. She has never been a top ranked miler in her senior career. And 3000m is close to two miles.
Got it - to a hobby jogger like you I'm not a top athlete and there's no way I could train for both the 1500m and 5000m.
BTW, how's your training for your 10k ultra going? Make sure you keep it in zone 1, you would want to drift into 5k marathon training by accident
No, you're not a top athlete - you're a windbag on a forum. But an athlete who has chiefly focused on 5k-10k for years doesn't suddenly become a top miler at 28. Well, they do - but it isn't about training.
But Jenny Simpson was a world champion 1500m runner, two-time 1500m world championship silver medalist, and 1500m Olympic bronze medalist whose PRs in the 1500m and 3000m are 3 and 10 seconds faster than Schweizer's, respectively. Are super shoes closing those gaps?
Jenny's 3k PR is 4 seconds slower than Schweizer's, and her 5k PR is 30 seconds slower. If you're 30 seconds faster than someone in a 5k, you're going to be faster than them in a mile, even if you're not a true miler and they are.
No disrespect to one of the most decorated milers in history, but Jenny was mostly a great tactician with good closing speed who raced in a far less competitive era.
Bollocks. Many of the best 1500/milers in history never raced 5k. Being faster over a longer distance doesn't make a runner faster over shorter distances (and the converse also being true).
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