I get your point but it's not quite a fair comparison. The energetic metabolism of a 400m (30% aerobic) is radically different from that of an 800m (~55% aerobic), which is fairly different from a 1500m (75% aerobic). The 3000m, by comparison, is about 86% aerobic metabolism and a 10k is around 90% aerobic--not so different.
Never minding the validity of the numbers provided here... a 10K however is not only substantially longer than all of the those distances, but it's longer than all of your aforementioned distances combined. It requires a much longer time commitment of running at a very high sustainable intensity.
JI has certainly run 10Ks before on non-track surfaces, but it would be interesting to see him go for it on a track with other 10K specialists.
True, but Jakob's training history would certainly seem to indicate that he may be even more suited to the 10k than the 5k. You can't replicate 1000 double thresholds in a few years, and so he has an aerobic/LT advantage that is not only unmatched and probably unmatchable. And no one else in the 10k has his speed. That combo would almost certainly be lethal in 10,000m championships. Given how dominant he's been in the 5000 at the last few world championships, it's a reasonable inference that this will translate to the 10.
It's not a guarantee, as you've noted, but I sure as heck would bet on it, if I could get anything better than 1-5 odds.
So the fastest person on earth today would lose to Mo Farah by 5 seconds in a race with the same shoes and conditions? How do you guys come up with this crap where no one today is as good as people from the past that you’ve glorified? Seb Coe was great but people on this board act like he was the pinnacle of humanity. Why can’t you acknowledge that people today are better for a variety of reasons? Besides, Mo Farah had a bunch of sketchy behavior around his L-carnitine usage, whereas JI has only had a bunch of clowns on this board accuse him of being “doped to the gills” without a shred of evidence. If being faster than Farah and Coe is evidence then I’ll retract my statement. It is not Farah’s fault obviously, but he wasn’t even in England by the time JI was training with a serious regimen and had not started seriously training for until several years after his arrival. JI is the perfect combination of nature and nurture and that is tough to beat.
oh purleeeeze! the dude's a lab rat. Nothing nature or nurture about jakob. Dont make me laugh! he's the perfect example of a science experiment
this letsrun Curious_Cat...yes, he is serious. Folks with a quarter of their brain cells firing make everyone go home devastated here no matter how good they are. No one is as fast as letsrun posters, not even Jakob
someone already said he ran 27:54, destroying the competition at 19 in bad conditions and we all know how much stronger he has become this five years.
It's certainly possible but nothing suggests he'd be a lock. Who won the 1976 olympic 10,000 the 3000 world record holder Brendan Foster or Viren? Foster didn't even beat Lopes. You can't annoint Jakob yet, let's see him in a few competitions. History has often shown that the faster 3000 runner doesn't necessarily win the 10000.
That wouldn't be the best analogy as Foster had stomach problems that day and regarded it as one of his most disappointing efforts.
Foster's personal best 10000m was about eight seconds faster than Viren's.
What we don't know yet is whether Jakob is a 5000/10000m guy who can run very well either side (like Farah) or a 1500/5000m guy (like, say Dave Moorecroft).
Hard to say since he's never run a track 10,000. So possible, physically. Likelihood: zero unless he gives up the 1,500 since the 10,000 and 1,500 usually overlap. In this year's Olympics Jakob would have had to run an opening heat of the 1,500 in the am and a 10,000 final in the pm, then come back two days later and run a 1,500 semi. Schedule usually prevents that double.
This board didn't think Fisher could beat Hocker in a 5000. They thought Mo Farah would dominate the marathon. They said that Kipchoge would not only dominate a hilly marathon that he could destroy a trail ultra with lots of vert.
Nothing is a given, Jakob doesn't get credit for winning a championship 10,000 until he does. Paris showed that the 10 isn't necessarily going to be a sit and kick affair. It is quite possible that he struggles at that distance and at that pace.
No, I thought there was no chance that Mo, with enough fast twitch to run 3:28.xx would dominate in a marathon.
It was also pretty late in his career when he switched to the marathon, and would maybe have run 2:03-2:04 at his peak with supershoes, given his Chicago run.
The great Ron Clarke held the World 2 mile best at one stage and obviously was pretty damned good at the 5 and 10k. I think in a paced 10 with lights Jakob would at least be worth 26:40 (you'd think he'd be faster than Fisher's 26:34) but it is twice the distance and sometimes people for whatever reason don't produce when moving up (Tadese is a good example). Personally I think he will try for the 1500/5k records before attempting a serious 10k. But he has intimated he wants all the records, so it is on the cards for the future.
The point isn't that Jakob is a 7:17 guy, it's the fact that he's a 3:26 guy with incredible strength that will make him a heavy favourite in the 10k. He has Mo Farah's skillset and he'd do exactly what Farah did when he was basically unbeatable. He can hang with any pace that could be set in a championship race (as Farah could) and he'll be able to control the race from the front with 1km to go because no one can match him over that distance. It's not about the final lap, it's about the wind-up from 9km. Cheptegei is the one who could possibly live with him, as Cheptegei also uses the Farah tactics effectively, but no one else could. Right now, the only thing stopping Jakob winning 10k gold is his desire to do so
No he wouldnt,and no he couldnt. If he had ran in the olympic 10'000 he'd have been lapped.He would not beat joshua cheptagai. Not even close.
Lmao there's no way you're serious... he would get lapped in a 26:43 race so that means he would've barely broken 28 mins (slower than his road PR from several years ago)? Get real. Ingebrigtsen isn't finishing behind Nico Young in a 10,000 even if he has a throat virus
This board didn't think Fisher could beat Hocker in a 5000. They thought Mo Farah would dominate the marathon. They said that Kipchoge would not only dominate a hilly marathon that he could destroy a trail ultra with lots of vert.
Nothing is a given, Jakob doesn't get credit for winning a championship 10,000 until he does. Paris showed that the 10 isn't necessarily going to be a sit and kick affair. It is quite possible that he struggles at that distance and at that pace.
There is truth to what you say. However, I believe that with the way Jakob trains, the 1500m is actually a stretch of his abilities, (which is crazy since he's still running 3:26). Rather than Jakob being a '1500 guy' I believe he's truly a 5k/10k guy who loves the 1500 and the prestige of it. Once Jakob truly moves to his element of 5k/10k, I bet we'll see some absolutely extraordinary things. His 3k and 2mile world records are only the start and a sign of what's to come.
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