gabagool wrote:
1. He has not developed anybody thus far at Tennessee and, besides Nuguse (generational talent) and Jacobs, who did he develop at ND?
Who did he develop besides the greatest American miler and the NCAA 10k champ?
Terrible coach.
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Looks like a great pick.
Any idea if Andy Powell was considered? CU might be a step up, though he’s built a ridiculous program in Seattle
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The two dumbest posters back to back.
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Sarlson wrote:
Saw this guy speak once right before he got a job at Tennessee, talking about Notre Dame. He said something along the lines of ‘I develop talent I don’t get top level kids in right away’ dude lives in his own world. Dylan Jacobs was a FL champion.
Very arrogant which probably makes him a great recruiter (salesman), probably helped him in interviews for CU. But he’s not a coach that cares about young adults, people that work for him, or development. His training is decent but it’s not rocket science when you run kids very hard and see who sticks. Terrible hire IMO, and now CU will follow the likes of some other SEC schools and the Coach Prime philosophy in recruiting top talent, throwing development out the window, and only focused on performance..
If you believe the NCAA should have a professional level philosophy and performance is all that matters Sean will likely do great. If you believe NCAA should follow their mission and “Provide a world-class athletics and academic experience for student-athletes that fosters lifelong well-being.” Well Sean could give two sh*ts about well-being, and we’ve seen how many coaches that don’t care about well-being and how their practices end up. The transfer portal from Tennessee is the best indicator of all of this.
Sad day for CU. Great day for Sean.
Dude, every coach believes this. Have you ever heard of Coach say “I only get top talent and I don’t have to do anything.” every coach I ever met believes in the program that they use.
p.s no training is rocket science.
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wejo wrote:
gabagool wrote:
1. He has not developed anybody thus far at Tennessee and, besides Nuguse (generational talent) and Jacobs, who did he develop at ND?
Who did he develop besides the greatest American miler and the NCAA 10k champ?
Terrible coach.
Having the most talented miler in US history and the footlocker national champ doesn’t make you a good coach.
He has been at Tennessee for 2 years, this is the lost of portal entries within that 24 month span (per NCAA Transfer Portal):
Emily Covert
Yaseen Abdalla
Nathan Atchue
Dawson Welch
Adam Snoke
Connor Henson
Craig Becker
Fuji Anday
Brendan Gomez
Chesney Peterson
Isaac Thiessen
Yordanos Zelinski
Audrey Thronson
Trevor Coggin
Simon Schabort
There’s another 10-15 from their 19 freshman women and 15 freshman men who have never raced for Tennessee and are either hurt or likely quit the sport altogether. THIS IS NOT THE SIGN OF A GOOD COACH. This is the sign of a serial psychopath who will run through as many bodies as it takes to get what he wants. Not to mention all the staff leaving him as well. And his two new hires at Tennessee that he’ll likely bring with him to Colorado? Two more 23 year olds with a combined 0 years coaching experience.
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the carousel goes round and round wrote:
Similar training style? I don't think they're similar at all.
In any case, Vanhoy made $150K last year as director at Cal Poly. A directorship has more job security and he decides where the scholarship goes. Sure he could get a $100K pay bump at UT, but then he has no scholarship to work with and is constantly on the hot seat, especially once Ross inevitably gets fired for some kind of violation. Plus, he has to live in Knoxville instead of on the California coast.
I think Vanhoy is staying put.
Also, Vanhoy's wife is Cal Poly's head women's XC coach and makes $67K.
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lol imagine firing Mark MFing Wetmore to hire Sean Carlson
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GarbageMan wrote:
This gets back to Wetmore. He was not putting in the work and was riding off of the far away past, and it showed. Just. Like. Football. Yes, CU distance was great, and unexpectedly did very well when MW first started. He did a lot. Then, over time, stopped. A ball sport coach would have been showed the door, you know like the last Football coach was. This is as much CU's athletic administration's failure as it was MW's. They let him do whatever, as, he kept his profile low, and they could continue using running to meet their NCAA/Title IX obligation(s).
You must be looking at different NCAA XC results than me. In the last ten years I count 9 podium finishes (4 for men, 5 for women) and one national team championship each for the Colorado men and women, plus an individual championship on the women's side. I don't know if Wetmore was putting in work or not but very few coaches have done better in the last decade.
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Shayla to Tennessee!
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Got rid of a legend for a douche.
If they had issues with Wetmores remarks and contribution to a toxic team culture, then this will be pretty interesting to see how they handle a master manipulator who had 8(!) freshman, 2 sophomores, and 1 senior transfer out on the men’s side alone this year due to his demeanor. It’s truly disappointing to see the reigns of a great job and program handed to Sean.
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I understand your point wejo, but Jacobs was already a footlocker champion before Carlson got his hands on him, and Yared made a massive jump immediately after going pro. It’s clear he was a generational talent as well. While it’s obviously a check mark on his resume, I feel it’s more valuable to look at the entire picture, not just two mega talents. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not discrediting him or saying he shouldn’t be given any credit for those two athletes, I just think 2 people being the sole argument to say that he’s a good talent developer out of all the athletes he’s coached over 13+ years is a little bit of an oversight, no?
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Ruppie wrote:
Got rid of a legend for a douche.
If they had issues with Wetmores remarks and contribution to a toxic team culture, then this will be pretty interesting to see how they handle a master manipulator who had 8(!) freshman, 2 sophomores, and 1 senior transfer out on the men’s side alone this year due to his demeanor. It’s truly disappointing to see the reigns of a great job and program handed to Sean.
Someone has an Axe to grind v Carlson.
He had a unique situation at Tennessee. Tons of booster NIL moneys, and no distance tradition at Tennessee.
His strategy to deal with that was to quickly bring in a ton of recruits and to see who developed.
There were no secrets to recruits, you could even see the large classes right here on the board.
He göt Tenn from nowhere to nats for both men and women, and with those giant classes no surprise he had a ton of transfers.
He's only 37, so CU can get 20-25 years from him (if D1 sports last that long). At CU he has a highly desirable tradition to work with and standard funding, so he will have a different recruiting plan.
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wejo wrote:
gabagool wrote:
1. He has not developed anybody thus far at Tennessee and, besides Nuguse (generational talent) and Jacobs, who did he develop at ND?
Who did he develop besides the greatest American miler and the NCAA 10k champ?
Terrible coach.
Develop?? or be graced with incredible genetic talent? Sure two runners are amazing... but what about the others who were the 4th, 5th, 6th runners on the team?
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sko buffs wrote:
Ruppie wrote:
Got rid of a legend for a douche.
If they had issues with Wetmores remarks and contribution to a toxic team culture, then this will be pretty interesting to see how they handle a master manipulator who had 8(!) freshman, 2 sophomores, and 1 senior transfer out on the men’s side alone this year due to his demeanor. It’s truly disappointing to see the reigns of a great job and program handed to Sean.
Someone has an Axe to grind v Carlson.
He had a unique situation at Tennessee. Tons of booster NIL moneys, and no distance tradition at Tennessee.
His strategy to deal with that was to quickly bring in a ton of recruits and to see who developed.
There were no secrets to recruits, you could even see the large classes right here on the board.
He göt Tenn from nowhere to nats for both men and women, and with those giant classes no surprise he had a ton of transfers.
He's only 37, so CU can get 20-25 years from him (if D1 sports last that long). At CU he has a highly desirable tradition to work with and standard funding, so he will have a different recruiting plan.
Stop with the "no distance tradition at Tennessee" stuff. Vols have a very good distance history with one natty and tons of SECs. Knoxville is a great running city with lots of places to run. And if it's so bad compared to Cali, why is everyone from there moving here? Also, not that it matters, but Tennessee has solid academics. I believe US News ranked Tennessee among the top 50 publics or around there. Here's a good website showing some older UT history:97 -
They were transfers who were developed elsewhere
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samcallan wrote:
humor police wrote:
Are you unfamiliar with the concept of a "joke" or a "meme"? Honestly how can people on these boards be so clueless as to fail to detect obvious jokes?
I hear Jon Gruden is in Knoxville. His wife was a cheerleader there.
LOL
That's hilarious. If anyone listened to sports talk radio in TN, every time there's a coaching change, THIS exact call comes in.
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BillVol wrote:
sko buffs wrote:
Someone has an Axe to grind v Carlson.
He had a unique situation at Tennessee. Tons of booster NIL moneys, and no distance tradition at Tennessee.
His strategy to deal with that was to quickly bring in a ton of recruits and to see who developed.
There were no secrets to recruits, you could even see the large classes right here on the board.
He göt Tenn from nowhere to nats for both men and women, and with those giant classes no surprise he had a ton of transfers.
He's only 37, so CU can get 20-25 years from him (if D1 sports last that long). At CU he has a highly desirable tradition to work with and standard funding, so he will have a different recruiting plan.
Stop with the "no distance tradition at Tennessee" stuff. Vols have a very good distance history with one natty and tons of SECs. Knoxville is a great running city with lots of places to run. And if it's so bad compared to Cali, why is everyone from there moving here? Also, not that it matters, but Tennessee has solid academics. I believe US News ranked Tennessee among the top 50 publics or around there. Here's a good website showing some older UT history:Currently living in Knoxville, lived in East TN all my life.
I agree about the distance tradition. Anyone that says Tennessee doesn't have one is just ignorant - which isn't a knock on them, it was a long time ago to be fair.
I have to disagree with you about Knoxville being a great running city though. Its not. It kind of sucks really.
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Perhaps the dual Head Coach experiment (Ross/Carlson) did not work?
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Does either team make ncaas this fall? Not like either squad is packed with talent
Havent scored it out yet for the mountain region.
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I’m well aware of his plan to mass recruit and see who develops. Now let’s look at how his freshman did:
Dean Casey: Ran well, but was already a 28:59 guy coming jn
Jacob Nenow: 30 something at secs, 180 or something at nationals. Pretty good. He transferred out right after the cross country season. (Princeton)
Brendan Gomez: 9:17 3200 in highschool, developed enough to finish 40 something at secs. Never raced again and transferred out. (Butler)
No other freshman ran cross country.
No other freshman ran extensively indoor outside of the occasional 800 at a local indoor meet.
Only 2 freshman ran outdoors. Dean Casey, the 22 year old who was already developed, ran o.k at secs and regionals. Brody Chapman ran 9:11 in the steeple, a respectable time.
Now tell me, if he’s such a great talent developer, how did no one do that well and why did everyone transfer out? If everything was sunshine and rainbows, wouldn’t they stay and trust the process? Seems like there was an urgency to skip town.
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