What is the New PED?

Lactate isn't an acid.

Eh...........in reality it reduces the hydrogen ions, which are a byproduct of the body using lactate for fuel. TomAto, tomahto.

Look for the PEDs with a short blood/urine half life, and look for male athletes with a shaved head/ short hair and a waxed body.

PEDs will stick in your hair longer than in your body, as it will permanently leave a layer in your hair that will test positive. I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of these hyper masculine athletes aren’t removing every hair on their body to look pretty and they aren’t doing it to be aerodynamic.

CopperRunner rocked the flow in college btw.

Good detective work. I appreciate the respect for anonymity

Caffine

DHEA

SR9009

S4

Cardarine

micro dosing test.

Don't know the same guys as CopperRunner but definitely know some that doped and admitted to it. I know of at least one that is still doping, he laid off for a bit in college but started up again over COVID and is now running unattached. He dopes because he wants to run sub-4:00 and he doesn't think he has the talent. Honestly, it's hard to blame him when the dude went from 4:30 our junior year of high school to 4:19 as a senior (thanks to drugs), then from 4:15 late in college to 4:02 as an unattached runner (also thanks to drugs). That's a progression anyone would be happy to have.

I also will say, I personally know people at an incredibly high level that do not dope, or if they do are unbelievably good at hiding it. I've literally lived with professional athletes. I am absolutely certain a human male can reach ~3:35 and ~13:20 naturally. Given I doubt my friends were the greatest talents in human history, I would guess ~3:30 and ~12:55 is also possible naturally. But I don't know if I will ever believe someone can run 3:26-3:27 or 12:30-12:45 clean. And I believe many, many athletes are doing SOMETHING, from the top elites all the way down to the D3 mid-packers.

Pedantic police here.

Some drugs end up in your hair in higher concentrations than others. I don't know the first thing about PED hair testing. I do know that many people have had a singular, friendly sniff of some delightful smelling cocaine or an amphetamine on a night out and failed a hair drug test months later. Meanwhile, someone could be an occasional weed smoker and not fail a hair drug test. There's obviously individual factors like liver stuff, body composition, diet, and activity level that will impact this.

what are the drugs being used then? just microdose regular epo derivatives and low dose test?

Meet the new PED, same as the old PED

The PEDS used will vary pretty widely from athlete to athlete. Depends on what the athletes need. Some athletes have high testosterone and great muscle fiber composition but have a relatively low Vo2Max, some athletes have a high Vo2Max but a weak body. Some athletes just need help recovering faster. Some athletes are headcases and need to use stimulants for races and maybe even important workouts.

Pre race adderall has been in rotation in a few running spheres i’ve been in. I’d imagine it’s pretty easy to get a TUE for adderall too.

As far as the other drugs, it’s really not some secret. There’s a couple drugs that increase testosterone, increase RBC count, and reduce bodyfat, and you’ll be peeing clean in 24-72 hours. Shelby desperately tried to sell the burrito story cause she knew she could be negative in a couple days and honestly was probably expecting to test negative.

I have seen the microdosing testosterone comment on this forum more times than I can count. It doesn't work that way. If you repeatedly microdose exogenous test, it will shut down your HPTA natural production of T, which is counterproductive to training of distance running (for males). The whole point of T as PED is steady state levels to recover overnight (versus natural diurnal trough at night when T dips down).

The only exception to the HPTA rule is nasal T like Natesto, but that only provides marginal training/recovery benefits and is easily detectable.

Taking nasal T or a fast-acting, ester-less T injection the day of race is also counterproductive for distance runners because it spikes your blood pressure. It's a very uncomfortable feeling that diminishes your cardio capacity. Good for short bursts, not not 800 meters on up.

There are PEDs involved for sure in distance running, but it ain't microdosing T.

I am pretty sure a couple of my local club training partners are doping. They have surpassed my PRs and smoke me in workouts now. I used to send them home devastated every time.

So you think she held her breath for nearly 4 minutes?

Oh my goodness thats exactly what drew Griffith looks like when he finishes. He closes in 4:06 for a two mile isn't breathing, breaks four and isn't breathing never is on his knees.

Where are people buying these PEDs? Sketchy sites in Europe or Asia?

I'm sure those athletes with the correct sponsor/agent/coach have a source, which we know from Nike Oregon Project is a doctor. Outside Online did an article where the writer doped ahead of a bike race, and he got his stuff at an anti-aging doctor in California.

I don't fully agree with this. Physiology doesn't change over decades, so the science of training for the most part was set in the late 50's and 60's and yes, the knowledge moves forward as science progresses, but the overarching things in training that improve performance are long known.

Shoes change also. Each time a shoe company redesigns a shoe, they have something new. Technology advances.

But doping is very real. The biggest jumps in performance, when they are sudden and jarring and as some posters have said, "disposition of the athlete after the race" are the big indicators of doping.

If WADA/AIU/ITA/National anti-doping agencies cannot get everyone, some big name needs to go down to put some fear into the practise of doping.

i'm unsure as to what others are describing by microdose, but i am referring to utilizing an appropriate bit of test at a time to keep the levels into an area where the overall levels of testosterone to estrogen would not flag (not supranormal levels), as well as ther amount of synthetic test not setting off the alarms. meaning, not doing one big whopper of a 75microg injection each week. rather, a smaller dose 2-3 times/wk depending on training load. that could be done through injection or topical. in addition, a supplement to enhance the effects of test while not actually increasing the test would also be beneficial. i believe that's where something like nandrolone would come into play with only an elimination half life of around 4-5 hours.

i'm still convinced that the SARMS and peptides are what the new driving force is (used in addition to the usual suspects of somatotropin and rbc stimulation). peptides are one thing, but SARMS is a whole new level of side effects that you're bringing to the table.

Yeah, I heard it's called mRNA, and they're injecting it!