There are many runners who have improved their speed. She should be able to run low-4s just on strength. With all her cross training, you'd expect her to be underdeveloped. Really not hard to imagine her making a leap.
But if you're right and 4:10 is her ceiling, she'll never run faster than 14:50.
Yes and no. We know she is at least capable of running sub-67 400’s. So if she can eventually string together 25 laps of 71 sec 400’s (just on improved aerobic strength), she would be the fastest American woman to run a 10000m.
She’s never going to run 29:35. That’s 28 seconds faster than the AR, and she has yet to run 29:35 pace for 5000m.
Yes and no. We know she is at least capable of running sub-67 400’s. So if she can eventually string together 25 laps of 71 sec 400’s (just on improved aerobic strength), she would be the fastest American woman to run a 10000m.
She’s never going to run 29:35. That’s 28 seconds faster than the AR, and she has yet to run 29:35 pace for 5000m.
Well, unlike you, I’m not saying ‘never’. But my point still stands. People like you keep trying to say she will never make a team because she can’t ‘kick’.
Even if she strings together 25 consecutive laps of 72 second 400’s (which is certainly plausible), then she would still become the fastest American woman to run a 10000m.
There are many runners who have improved their speed. She should be able to run low-4s just on strength. With all her cross training, you'd expect her to be underdeveloped. Really not hard to imagine her making a leap.
But if you're right and 4:10 is her ceiling, she'll never run faster than 14:50.
In an interview, Mike Smith said that Young didn’t improve his foot speed and it was increasing his fitness, that resulted in his significant improvement since XC.
On a comparative basis, Young is far better than Valby. He’s 22 seconds off the WR in the 5, and 42 for the 10, compared to 53 and 1:50, for Valby.
Young has 1:47 and 3:34 PRs, both from this year. Valby don't run no 800. Maybe she should.
In an interview, Mike Smith said that Young didn’t improve his foot speed and it was increasing his fitness, that resulted in his significant improvement since XC.
On a comparative basis, Young is far better than Valby. He’s 22 seconds off the WR in the 5, and 42 for the 10, compared to 53 and 1:50, for Valby.
Young has 1:47 and 3:34 PRs, both from this year. Valby don't run no 800. Maybe she should.
It is a chicken and egg thing. They need to first fix whatever is ailing her, before trying to make her go fast, or at least at the same time as improving her speed, for one will go hand in hand with the other. But if they just make her pound out faster reps without addressing her economy issue(s), she might end up ripping herself apart.
Much respect but now that she’s racing with competitors on a high level and can equal her pace. she’ll have to accept not running solo anymore or being the front runner. Without a kick she’s got to stop being the pacers for the pro’s. And based on her past history seeking out ways to improve. I’m sure she learned from this and will begin to figure out a solution to win. Should be interesting to watch how she develops in future races. I’m sure she wants to improve and win.
She’s never going to run 29:35. That’s 28 seconds faster than the AR, and she has yet to run 29:35 pace for 5000m.
Well, unlike you, I’m not saying ‘never’. But my point still stands. People like you keep trying to say she will never make a team because she can’t ‘kick’.
Even if she strings together 25 consecutive laps of 72 second 400’s (which is certainly plausible), then she would still become the fastest American woman to run a 10000m.
I didn’t say she will never make an Olympic team, but she needs to improve her PRs to the point, where she won’t need to rely on a kick. The question is whether she can accomplish that. As far as “never” goes, she won’t ever set any ARs and it’s not criticism to point that out.
I didn’t say she will never make an Olympic team, but she needs to improve her PRs to the point, where she won’t need to rely on a kick.
Well if, for instance, she becomes strong enough to run a ~30:00 10k, then yes, all of a sudden she would have long-kicking capability in a 30:40 race.
Yes. She ran the fastest college times history. It is logical to predict that she will become the fastest American in history. It may not happen but it is ridiculous to say it won't.
Yes. She ran the fastest college times history. It is logical to predict that she will become the fastest American in history. It may not happen but it is ridiculous to say it won't.
It may not happen if something precludes improving her running economy. On the other hand, if she does improve her running economy, she might go on to shatter the American 10000m, Half, and Marathon records.
But without fixing whatever is ailing her, it’s possible she may never run a Half or Full marathon.
What does that mean? She said nothing about an ailment. She broke the college record last night.
Call it an ‘ailment’ if you will; I’m referring to whatever it is that is at the root of her janky form.
So even though she broke the collegiate record last night, if her economy improved by only 0.5%, she would shatter that record, and it would feel easier doing it.
I would not worry about Valby. Her career has been sensational. Better off worrying about all the people out there, and on LR, that never win anything.
As for form, most people could use a tweak here or there. Not easy to correct. Valby's form is at the very least good enough. Stopwatch will tell you that.
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Once she goes pro, her coaches will need to work on her ability to change gears during a race.
There's no such thing as an ability to "change gears" when you're already running flat-out. We don't really know what kind of closing speed she might have because she has sensibly used her superior fitness to run away from all challengers in the NCAA.
Once she goes pro, her coaches will need to work on her ability to change gears during a race.
There's no such thing as an ability to "change gears" when you're already running flat-out. We don't really know what kind of closing speed she might have because she has sensibly used her superior fitness to run away from all challengers in the NCAA.
She averaged 71.33 per lap last night. Can she go 73.33 per lap for the 10,000 and will that be enough to make a team? I think she can but I don’t know if that makes it?
Yes. She ran the fastest college times history. It is logical to predict that she will become the fastest American in history. It may not happen but it is ridiculous to say it won't.
It may not happen if something precludes improving her running economy. On the other hand, if she does improve her running economy, she might go on to shatter the American 10000m, Half, and Marathon records.
But without fixing whatever is ailing her, it’s possible she may never run a Half or Full marathon.
Many posters believe all AR and Wars all ripe for the picking, but they are all the best out of huge populations of elite runners. Going from 14:53 to 2 X 15:01, is not going to happen and it’s not written in stone, that she isn’t already near her career peak.
I would not worry about Valby. Her career has been sensational. Better off worrying about all the people out there, and on LR, that never win anything.
As for form, most people could use a tweak here or there. Not easy to correct. Valby's form is at the very least good enough. Stopwatch will tell you that.
Well, the current stopwatch says she is pretty close to making American teams. But the stopwatch is also saying she is plateauing, if not yet hitting a wall, and so she may not run much faster than her 10000m PB on Saturday.
So as to form, what you say about ‘ease of correction’ is true. On the other hand, what if some things improved, even if it takes more months of work?
There was a nugget Valby dropped in that interview last night, which probably went over most people’s heads, but I felt was another piece in the puzzle of what we are dealing with here, and it certainly alludes to the possibility of some improvement gains to be made, given time and patience to work on them. But it is understandable up to this point in time in her whirlwind collegiate career, they kind of did the best they could given the circumstances of a busy racing season.
Why do some claim she’s already reached her potential when she’s currently running much faster times at age 21 than anyone she raced against last night? It’s obvious that she has the drive to put in the work too.
Why do some claim she’s already reached her potential when she’s currently running much faster times at age 21 than anyone she raced against last night? It’s obvious that she has the drive to put in the work too.
Yeah, if she manages to stay healthy, sub-30 is definitely in the cards. Her progression is insane and she's still very young both for her training and real age).
What does that mean? She said nothing about an ailment. She broke the college record last night.
Call it an ‘ailment’ if you will; I’m referring to whatever it is that is at the root of her janky form.
So even though she broke the collegiate record last night, if her economy improved by only 0.5%, she would shatter that record, and it would feel easier doing it.
lol, the form police. Paula Radcliffe had far worse form and she still ran 2:15 without super shoes.
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