People have mentioned the timing but with the 5k girls records being smashed repeatedly and the boys record beaten by 2 boys last year and again this year it’s lost a bit of luster
True fans want the best runner to win… which wasnt the case
You were probably in elementary schooo when that happened. You have no idea what you’re talking about
Asbel Kiprop was hands down the best runner that season but he ran an awful race. He gave us a big lesson in how not to run a tactical race. It would have been incredible to see him win but it was a fitting result contrasting racing styles. Go back and rewatch it. Centrowitz had a perfect race. Willis and Makhloufi, too. The best three that day went home with Olympic medals.
That may be true, but the shoes aren’t new this year and he crushed the old record by almost 10 seconds. This is probably the first run to match/exceed Rupp’s old pre-shoe record.
People don't seem to understand that the super shoes aren't just about in-competition advantage. Their chief benefit, as empirically confirmed by many coaches I know, is that they reduce the impact and stress on legs during workouts and races, thus allowing much faster recovery and more frequent workouts. Think EPO in the form of shoes. So, a kid who trained and raced 3-4 years with these better shoes was therefore able to do XXX many more workouts/quality runs than kids (and prior generations) who didn't have those shoes, thereby stacking the benefits over the course of a few years. Make sense?
Current crop of seniors are probably the first gen of widespread kids who have trained/raced all or most of their hs careers with the super shoes. Same for the college kids. At some point these times will level off... but the new floor will still be far above the pre-super shoes floor.
I knew kids were racing in super spikes but didn’t know they were also training in super shoes. So much was made about how few miles Kipchoge’s shoes could handle. What do kids train in now?
I’m a bit late to this thread, but beyond the already stated changes in shoe tech, I just think most people on LetsRun don’t really care about high school running in general. I consider myself a diehard and couldn’t tell you much about HS running outside of a few names.
I drove out to watch the race and it was held under windy but otherwise great conditions.
The pace was hot but not insanely hot and the winner (Dylan Jacobs) ran 13:18. I was talking to the Hoka director of footware development, so all he really focused on was Futsum Z. and Wesley Kiptoo.
Totally lost in the pack was the fact that a high school kid was destroying the record. I couldn't hear the PA system, so maybe the announcers were losing their minds, but trackside, nobody was talking about it.
Honestly, 90% of the people there were there for Sifan Hassan (who ran two races), Cooper Teare, and Cole Hocker. I don't think anyone (I talked to) really knew who Daniel Simmons was going into this race. It is one of those "I've heard the name" kind of things but he is not from the NW, so we haven't been following his career.
I talked to Ken Goe (OG newspaper reporter) and asked him what his "performance of the meet" was and he said he really liked Nia Akins running 1:58 on a breezy night. We talked about a few other things (Hocker's 1:45) and neither of us mentioned the high school result.
Part of the problem is that kids are training full-time these days. It is the shoes, but it is also the fact that kids are getting excellent coaching, top equipment, amazing race opportunities, and are running a ton of miles starting in 6th grade.
The athletes are better now (and they have the shoes) but that also means I expect the times to be faster. Still, someone should have been hyping the hell out of that result, but I didn't hear it and I didn't see the many young fans flocking over to him.
Great race by Simmons, but an incredibly underwhelming performance by everyone else in the field. If we're gonna freak out about shoe technology, how is it that the winning time was only 13:18 and only 7 seconds ahead of Simmons, a high schooler? Wouldn't Dylan Jacobs wanna go for the olympic standard at this meet, considering he ran 13:10 earlier this spring? 13:18 is a yawn and is no better than people were running at this meet before the super spikes/shoes showed up.
13:25 isn’t that fast with a little PEDs. I ran 14:17 in XC in highschool and probs could’ve ran 13:30s track my senior year if I took PEDS.
when a highschool runner runs what African highschool runners run then I’ll be impressed
in American there is pro and colllege and highschool runners lol. Idiots
in Africa- there is just runners- they are so fast it’s just one group.
nobody says “look at this Kenyan highschool runners time” it’s just Kenyan runner because even in highschool they run sub 13.
amercians need to get over themselves- this division of “highschool and after is dumb. It’s all the same after you train for a year, talent is talent.
Lol "I ran 14:17 in XC in high school"...yeah maybe for 3 miles. I get that you want attention, but there are levels to this buddy, stop trying to compare yourself to the fastest high schooler ever. Reminds me of someone I knew in HS who switched schools and joined track and said he ran 4:08 for the mile the year before...never saw him break 2:30 in the 800 lol.
1. A 17 year old Ethiopian has run 12:55 which makes a 18 year old running 13:25 look poor in comparison
2. Simmons should get in a 2 mile for the record. Hell, ask BU for a time trial setup. Griffith's is 8:34, and his average pace is 4:19 - i.e. 8:38 2 mile
1. A 17 year old Ethiopian has run 12:55 which makes a 18 year old running 13:25 look poor in comparison
2. Simmons should get in a 2 mile for the record. Hell, ask BU for a time trial setup. Griffith's is 8:34, and his average pace is 4:19 - i.e. 8:38 2 mile
Is Simmons not running the brooks PR 2 mile? Pretty sure Griffith is going for the record there.
As someone else said, records are being broken on the regular now so it's lost its luster. I will also add that we have similar-aged kids in non-African countries running astonishing times at same age as Simmons. The running world has gotten smaller and it takes more to impress.
We need a BIG jump like say sub 13-5k or sub-3:50 mile. Barring that, qualify for the Olympics. or WC team. The last one is a biggie. If you qualify for the olympics as a 18 or younger kid, you will get a black splash page at letsrun. Guaranteed.
Everyone has gotten insanely fast at all levels. HS kids of today could be challenging Steve Prefontaine at his best. Sub 4 is no guarantee of all conference in college. Sub 4 won't even win d3. Collegians are now running sub 13. At the elite level, times in the 1230s are being run.
Between wavelight tech and the shoes, times aren't what they used to be.
Except they haven't. I.e. US marathoners.
You shoe goons can't explain that one, even though they're the ones that should be helped most by the shoes.