Who is Brian Komen?

Serious question Hoady - have you had your asbergers formally diagnosed and treated? It's called sarcasm.

And while you are at the clinic, maybe you should seek some professional help over your obsession with me.

I am not "Hoady". You are lying. What is your problem? And it's Asperger's, not "asbergers".
You should seek help over your obsession with lying.

It's definitely not lying here. He is THAT stupid.

LOL. Nice deflection. First of all, you don't know when he started doping.

Second, your original points were that a) "When someone use Drugs he has at least some enemies that spread rumors about him." and b) "There is no such thing for Morceli, Haile Gebreselassi, Komen or El G. ... none of their milieu talked about them using drugs.". Yet you cannot name any such enemies or milieu members of proven dopers such as Kiprop et cetera.

Third, I listed a few more names than just one (Kiprop + Cherono + Gay + Houlihan), which you ignored.

Fourth, I am not whining.

Fifth, who are my "countrymans" [sic]?

3 of those names mentioned are among the most obvious dopers in history. Morceli was probably the most naturally talented, but it's a stretch to suppose he didn't jump on the EPO bandwagon. Probably after seeing what it did for Cacho.

I'm referring to the names Passant mentioned.

Oh rekrunner, are really going to rekrunner forever now about your definition of the word "make"?

Whoever said that "making" must mean "inventing for the first time ever"? If you say "the dog ate my homework", it can't be considered making an excuse?

What is it then? Using an excuse? Giving an excuse? Either way it proves that you are a drug cheat apologist with all your making/using/giving excuses for them.

Ironically you have also invented excuses for Drug Cheat Houlihan, such as that her burrito may have contained testes or kidney, which she never said. So your hysterically false statement

remains wrong, front to center, no matter with which wall of text you want to deflect from that next.

Your "country mans" are the one you feel hurts because of the results of others. If not why are you wasting your timing incriminating others? that's the pure definition of whining.

In summary: Google say the first time EPO was discovered in use in sport was at the tour de France 1998.

So a most obvious doper who won 85 races in 89 races in 8 years?

Must be a very powerful substance.

Ask benzreguinate ... he will tell you:

they will answer you as they did to me: "Allah yahdik"

(may God guide you in the right path)

How long we do this is up to you, based on which set of facts you continue to choose to ignore, as you blame me for your selective amnesia. I choose to be fully informed.

Besides these faithful allegations of me "making excuses" and being a "doping/doper apologist", I'm wondering who gets to decide who is a "drug cheat"? I know that WADA doesn't define "drug cheat", so neither WADA, nor the AIU, nor the CAS, nor any ADA or ADO, ever makes this determination for any athlete. Your undefined judgement is meaningless to me, as a personal, faithful, arbitrary judgement of the beholder, that means whatever the beholder wants it to mean.

Regarding already made excuses, once the "excuses" are "made" by the "makers", they remain a source of doubt until they are disproven. Unfortunately for you, "presumption" is not a valid "disproof". Don't "shoot me" because I am the "messenger" of these never disproven excuses, and for giving athletes the benefit of these doubts.

Regarding Houlihan, whatever conclusions you wish to draw from cherry-picking half the facts, the CAS clearly told me that: 1) Houlihan told the WA/AIU that the nandrolone came from ingesting pork offal, without limitation, from a burrito, and 2) her 4-year ban was a result only made possible by two presumptions. I invented nothing here. It was the WA/AIU's experts who apparently invented the previously unspoken/unwritten limitations of strictly pork meat and stomach, without providing their source for such limitations.

Even World Athletics says EPO was available in Europe from 1987 and linked to multiple pro cyclist deaths between 87 and 90. There was no testing until 1997 in cycling, and 2000 in athletics.

Notice how the Brit domination of middle distance ended in 1987.

worldathletics.org

Science EPO Doping | NEWS | World Athletics

Science EPO Doping

Open link

Hones question - do you not see the irony in asking if someone else has been diagnosed with a personality disorder when you assume that everyone who points out your BS is the same mythical Hoady figure?

Disrespecting Peter Elliott I see. Anyhow, you've completely derailed a conversation of Brian Komen, which was interesting with a couple of sources from Kenya. Even your thoughts on how quickly a 24-year-old runner could progress and their theoretical potential ceiling was somewhat interesting even if I didn't agree. I don't see what the timing of EPO use has to do with all this, and it'd be better if we just return to Komen. He is like this year's Nordas, so it is interesting to see what he will get up to and more of his background and personal details than rehashing old arguments of EPO and doping world views.

All those pro cyclists were Kenyans, right?

Rekrunner.... are you now arguing that you are a doper apologist but not a drug cheat apologist because Shelburrito is a doper but not a drug cheat?

Gotta keep arguing right?

You presume too much. As the WADA Code expands the definition of "Doping", I'm also wondering who gets to decide who is a "doper", and what that decision means.

I am arguing that "I do not ever apologize for the intentional doping with banned substances or methods of athletes."

An "apologist" "offers an argument in defence of something controversial". It is not controversial when the presence/use of a banned substance is unintentional, or unknowing, through no fault or negligence of the athlete.

Bringing it back to Komen and his training, where did this notion of only "12 months training" come from? Coevett? I see your post of Renato's quote from last year, then saying "the case of Brian Komen, 25 years, never running till last year ...". Does "running" here mean training, or racing in competition? That single quote is hardly an accurate window into Komen's lifetime background of training. Unstructured but relevant training can take many forms, such as playing sports as a kid, or the stereo-typical running to/from school everyday.

Bringing it further back to all Komens, does everyone know that there are two Daniel Komens who have run 3:29.xx?

Oh man, so now Kenyans really can run close to sub 3:30 soaly off the back of running to and back from school (a decade earlier).

Most people would interpret 'never running till last year', as 12 months training for a close to sub 3:30, but here you are suggesting I'm 'lying' again.

And you know, if even ThoughtsLeader is accusing you of derailing threads now, maybe it's time you, as well as the mods, finally paid attention.

Thoughtsleader literally said you derailed the thread. Can't you read?