I am convinced this is also why more and more women are going gay.
you don't "go gay" moron
Of course you can. Imagine sexual preference as a scale from 0 to 100. Many people are at the far ends -- 0 (let's say that hetero) or 100 (homo). On the other hand, many people fall somewhere in the middle. They may be attracted to members of the same sex or the opposite sex. There are plenty of women who have led heterosexual lives for many years and finally become tired of dealing with men and so they "go gay" and find a lesbian lover who understands what they really need. There's nothing wrong with this, particularly in a scenario like what we're describing where the man has zero to offer. A woman may find another woman at least connects with her on an emotional level, where the guy is worried about video games or something.
Tucker Carlson had a good article awhile back about how women really don't need men anymore. They are more valued in the workplace, get better salaries, raises, promotions and DEI initiatives help. Men are adrift and colleges aren't helping them like they helped women in the '80s and '90s (girl power movement). So a lot of guys are like F it.
Men can CONTROL this by going back to school and really trying to become more credentialed again. Women won't date guys with HS diplomas. Most women have master's degrees now, and/or are in high levels in white-collar careers.
I’m not sure why you received any negative votes for this.
I'll blame the pill first and foremost for eliminating the possibility of having a baby from sex -- making women more willing to have sex with guys they wouldn't want to marry.
Next, I'll blame legal abortion, which made sex even less significant because even if a woman did get pregnant, she still didn't have to have a baby.
Lastly, I'll blame social media/the Internet in general. Normal women won't settle for average men because they only want the best of the best men (rich and/or hot) from what they see online. Men want the same. Average women will have sex with the best guys because guys will have sex with anything that lets them. Average men, however, get screwed over.
Since you don't even understand the basic mathematical reasoning behind "average", its likely you are kind of poorly educated, struggle in the workplace and just aren't attractive to the women you would like to be attractive to you.
"Average" isnt the same as the median, but its likely somewhat close to it. What you are talking about is the phenomenon beloved of perennial casual internet dating guys who think that the top 5/10% of men get all the women.That's not statistically average guys, and outside the internet dating world, "average" is what most women are satisfied with.
We want somebody who is relatively similar to.us in motivation, ambition, basic values, etc who will be reliable enough to have kids with and provide companionship throughout our lives. If you're only meeting women looking for money, then it's something you are doing or where you're looking. If you're mixing in very corporate or urban circles, you won't get ambitious high earning women dating you unless you are similar. Such women don't want to be embarrassed socially by their guy at a dinner party if he gets drunk abd starts rambling on about mens'dating chances being ruined by the availability of contraception.
You are just telling women that you are lower than average, with your outdated weird comments.
"Normal' women can literally smell sleaze, control tactics and cheats before they even meet you. Never mind the way you talk being a big red flag, it's usually written all over the faces of such men. You come across as cynical and jaded because you have likely messed around women in the past and they have dropped you for it. It's a competitive world out there. You have to compete with other men. Hating on women and blaming them for your lack of success only makes it easier for other men to date us and marry us.
Stop supporting only fans girls, or any other online thots. Give them neither money nor attention. They, at best, are ambivalent about you. I mean, do you really think any woman would be attracted to a guy who pays girls to send raunchy pics?
There’s no ambivalence whatsoever. Guys sending hot girls money online are just seen as easy marks and incels of the highest caliber.
I'll blame the pill first and foremost for eliminating the possibility of having a baby from sex -- making women more willing to have sex with guys they wouldn't want to marry.
Next, I'll blame legal abortion, which made sex even less significant because even if a woman did get pregnant, she still didn't have to have a baby.
Lastly, I'll blame social media/the Internet in general. Normal women won't settle for average men because they only want the best of the best men (rich and/or hot) from what they see online. Men want the same. Average women will have sex with the best guys because guys will have sex with anything that lets them. Average men, however, get screwed over.
Since you don't even understand the basic mathematical reasoning behind "average", its likely you are kind of poorly educated, struggle in the workplace and just aren't attractive to the women you would like to be attractive to you.
"Average" isnt the same as the median, but its likely somewhat close to it. What you are talking about is the phenomenon beloved of perennial casual internet dating guys who think that the top 5/10% of men get all the women.That's not statistically average guys, and outside the internet dating world, "average" is what most women are satisfied with.
We want somebody who is relatively similar to.us in motivation, ambition, basic values, etc who will be reliable enough to have kids with and provide companionship throughout our lives. If you're only meeting women looking for money, then it's something you are doing or where you're looking. If you're mixing in very corporate or urban circles, you won't get ambitious high earning women dating you unless you are similar. Such women don't want to be embarrassed socially by their guy at a dinner party if he gets drunk abd starts rambling on about mens'dating chances being ruined by the availability of contraception.
You are just telling women that you are lower than average, with your outdated weird comments.
"Normal' women can literally smell sleaze, control tactics and cheats before they even meet you. Never mind the way you talk being a big red flag, it's usually written all over the faces of such men. You come across as cynical and jaded because you have likely messed around women in the past and they have dropped you for it. It's a competitive world out there. You have to compete with other men. Hating on women and blaming them for your lack of success only makes it easier for other men to date us and marry us.
Why do you view the "internet dating world" as some sort of magic place that doesn't reflect reality?
Do you think the MILLIONS of women who use these dating sites and apps are lying about their preferences?
Women evolved to be attracted to security. A taller man is more likely to make a woman feel physically secure. A wealthier man is more likely to make a woman feel financially secure.
You guys have the cause and effect backwards. Men watch porn because they are lonely, not the other way around. There is somewhat of a feedback loop (watching the porn can make someone more isolated, and in turn consume more porn), but it's not like men are turning down dates and sex to watch porn alone, they do it because they have no other options.
Dating is pointless. I don’t have time or energy to care for someone else so frequent sex is off the table. I have a couple hook ups a year from bars or clubs but those are rare. If I work 9 hours a day, sleep 8 hours a day, add in commute, training, personal leisure, when do I even have time to have sex or chase women?
Also women have careers now, they no longer have to settle for men. Plus with technology we can expand our dating radius beyond high school and college. Similarly men don’t have to settle either. No one is getting married to a deadbeat guy anymore just because he has a job.
Dating and traditional relationships are dead. I don’t have time, money, or effort to care for someone else or even think about having kids.
Dating is pointless. I don’t have time or energy to care for someone else so frequent sex is off the table. I have a couple hook ups a year from bars or clubs but those are rare. If I work 9 hours a day, sleep 8 hours a day, add in commute, training, personal leisure, when do I even have time to have sex or chase women?
Also women have careers now, they no longer have to settle for men. Plus with technology we can expand our dating radius beyond high school and college. Similarly men don’t have to settle either. No one is getting married to a deadbeat guy anymore just because he has a job.
Dating and traditional relationships are dead. I don’t have time, money, or effort to care for someone else or even think about having kids.
Early 20s here but concur. These boomers on this site just don't get it. In your day the hottest girl on campus dated the quarterback or the frat association president. Sure you probably wasn't gonna date you, but you could at least compete with other college dudes.
What do the hottest girls on campus do now? They get flown to the French Rivera by billionaires to hang out on their yachts. This isn't some Andrew date/PUA talking point. There are girls at my school that actually do this. Miss class? No problem can do that online. I'm a D1 athlete and I know normal, good looking, dudes on my team that have been effectively celibate all of college. Like the above poster I get a few lucky hook ups a year, but no long term relationship despite my best efforts. butGen Z dating is a wasteland.
I'll blame the pill first and foremost for eliminating the possibility of having a baby from sex -- making women more willing to have sex with guys they wouldn't want to marry.
Next, I'll blame legal abortion, which made sex even less significant because even if a woman did get pregnant, she still didn't have to have a baby.
Lastly, I'll blame social media/the Internet in general. Normal women won't settle for average men because they only want the best of the best men (rich and/or hot) from what they see online. Men want the same. Average women will have sex with the best guys because guys will have sex with anything that lets them. Average men, however, get screwed over.
Since you don't even understand the basic mathematical reasoning behind "average", its likely you are kind of poorly educated, struggle in the workplace and just aren't attractive to the women you would like to be attractive to you.
"Average" isnt the same as the median, but its likely somewhat close to it. What you are talking about is the phenomenon beloved of perennial casual internet dating guys who think that the top 5/10% of men get all the women.That's not statistically average guys, and outside the internet dating world, "average" is what most women are satisfied with.
We want somebody who is relatively similar to.us in motivation, ambition, basic values, etc who will be reliable enough to have kids with and provide companionship throughout our lives. If you're only meeting women looking for money, then it's something you are doing or where you're looking. If you're mixing in very corporate or urban circles, you won't get ambitious high earning women dating you unless you are similar. Such women don't want to be embarrassed socially by their guy at a dinner party if he gets drunk abd starts rambling on about mens'dating chances being ruined by the availability of contraception.
You are just telling women that you are lower than average, with your outdated weird comments.
"Normal' women can literally smell sleaze, control tactics and cheats before they even meet you. Never mind the way you talk being a big red flag, it's usually written all over the faces of such men. You come across as cynical and jaded because you have likely messed around women in the past and they have dropped you for it. It's a competitive world out there. You have to compete with other men. Hating on women and blaming them for your lack of success only makes it easier for other men to date us and marry us.
No need to take a shot at my level of education.
My post was my opinion about why young people are having less sex.
To clarify, it doesn't apply to me. I'm 1) not young, 2) happily married, 3) have lots of kids, and 4) still have lots of sex.
You guys have the cause and effect backwards. Men watch porn because they are lonely, not the other way around. There is somewhat of a feedback loop (watching the porn can make someone more isolated, and in turn consume more porn), but it's not like men are turning down dates and sex to watch porn alone, they do it because they have no other options.
I’d imagine men watching porn to be to some extent turning off dates and sex as a consequence. The former is time efficient with no strings attached, is better than nothing, and probably sets up unrealistic expectations of real potentially dateable women that might be getting ignored as a result.
Dating is pointless. I don’t have time or energy to care for someone else so frequent sex is off the table. I have a couple hook ups a year from bars or clubs but those are rare. If I work 9 hours a day, sleep 8 hours a day, add in commute, training, personal leisure, when do I even have time to have sex or chase women?
Also women have careers now, they no longer have to settle for men. Plus with technology we can expand our dating radius beyond high school and college. Similarly men don’t have to settle either. No one is getting married to a deadbeat guy anymore just because he has a job.
Dating and traditional relationships are dead. I don’t have time, money, or effort to care for someone else or even think about having kids.
Early 20s here but concur. These boomers on this site just don't get it. In your day the hottest girl on campus dated the quarterback or the frat association president. Sure you probably wasn't gonna date you, but you could at least compete with other college dudes.
What do the hottest girls on campus do now? They get flown to the French Rivera by billionaires to hang out on their yachts. This isn't some Andrew date/PUA talking point. There are girls at my school that actually do this. Miss class? No problem can do that online. I'm a D1 athlete and I know normal, good looking, dudes on my team that have been effectively celibate all of college. Like the above poster I get a few lucky hook ups a year, but no long term relationship despite my best efforts. butGen Z dating is a wasteland.
That's wild!
As an old guy I had no idea it was that tough.
Damn right billionaires would be tough competition.
I certainly thought that as a D1 athlete you'd slay if you wanted.
Tucker Carlson had a good article awhile back about how women really don't need men anymore. They are more valued in the workplace, get better salaries, raises, promotions and DEI initiatives help. Men are adrift and colleges aren't helping them like they helped women in the '80s and '90s (girl power movement). So a lot of guys are like F it.
Men can CONTROL this by going back to school and really trying to become more credentialed again. Women won't date guys with HS diplomas. Most women have master's degrees now, and/or are in high levels in white-collar careers.
Tucker Carlson never had a good article about anything.
Have you ever met a man? They are overly emotional, impulsive, and dull.
Women can think objectively, have better math and reasoning skills, and often think several moves ahead when making decisions.
I think Tucker is an idiot but to be fair he was right about how the education system isn't helping men, plus men themselves need to have more ambition outside of video games. Women are killing it right now. A lot of men are stuck in the crappy jobs anyways nowadays. You see lots of men do auto detailing and garbage hauling, for instance, and no women will touch those careers.
STEM is tough for both genders. I think women are more intuitive as well.
I'll blame the pill first and foremost for eliminating the possibility of having a baby from sex -- making women more willing to have sex with guys they wouldn't want to marry.
Next, I'll blame legal abortion, which made sex even less significant because even if a woman did get pregnant, she still didn't have to have a baby.
Lastly, I'll blame social media/the Internet in general. Normal women won't settle for average men because they only want the best of the best men (rich and/or hot) from what they see online. Men want the same. Average women will have sex with the best guys because guys will have sex with anything that lets them. Average men, however, get screwed over.
Since you don't even understand the basic mathematical reasoning behind "average", its likely you are kind of poorly educated, struggle in the workplace and just aren't attractive to the women you would like to be attractive to you.
"Average" isnt the same as the median, but its likely somewhat close to it. What you are talking about is the phenomenon beloved of perennial casual internet dating guys who think that the top 5/10% of men get all the women.That's not statistically average guys, and outside the internet dating world, "average" is what most women are satisfied with.
We want somebody who is relatively similar to.us in motivation, ambition, basic values, etc who will be reliable enough to have kids with and provide companionship throughout our lives. If you're only meeting women looking for money, then it's something you are doing or where you're looking. If you're mixing in very corporate or urban circles, you won't get ambitious high earning women dating you unless you are similar. Such women don't want to be embarrassed socially by their guy at a dinner party if he gets drunk abd starts rambling on about mens'dating chances being ruined by the availability of contraception.
You are just telling women that you are lower than average, with your outdated weird comments.
"Normal' women can literally smell sleaze, control tactics and cheats before they even meet you. Never mind the way you talk being a big red flag, it's usually written all over the faces of such men. You come across as cynical and jaded because you have likely messed around women in the past and they have dropped you for it. It's a competitive world out there. You have to compete with other men. Hating on women and blaming them for your lack of success only makes it easier for other men to date us and marry us.
This is very true re: social circles and money.
Dating isn't just a sex issue, it's a social stratification issue. Men need to level up and become what they were in the '80s-women value security and ambition (not money per se, but security in various forms).
When I worked at Accidenture a lot of the women (single and married) did well and all the guys were the same. No poor people or working-class people in that company.
Dating is pointless. I don’t have time or energy to care for someone else so frequent sex is off the table. I have a couple hook ups a year from bars or clubs but those are rare. If I work 9 hours a day, sleep 8 hours a day, add in commute, training, personal leisure, when do I even have time to have sex or chase women?
Also women have careers now, they no longer have to settle for men. Plus with technology we can expand our dating radius beyond high school and college. Similarly men don’t have to settle either. No one is getting married to a deadbeat guy anymore just because he has a job.
Dating and traditional relationships are dead. I don’t have time, money, or effort to care for someone else or even think about having kids.
Early 20s here but concur. These boomers on this site just don't get it. In your day the hottest girl on campus dated the quarterback or the frat association president. Sure you probably wasn't gonna date you, but you could at least compete with other college dudes.
What do the hottest girls on campus do now? They get flown to the French Rivera by billionaires to hang out on their yachts. This isn't some Andrew date/PUA talking point. There are girls at my school that actually do this. Miss class? No problem can do that online. I'm a D1 athlete and I know normal, good looking, dudes on my team that have been effectively celibate all of college. Like the above poster I get a few lucky hook ups a year, but no long term relationship despite my best efforts. butGen Z dating is a wasteland.
Instafluencer culture changed the game....income gap grows wider too, so that's a factor. I knew some people in the Southeast and Texas who had somewhat similar experiences--a lot of the women were from family money (think Turtle Creek/Dallas influencer culture), etc. Lots of SEC boosters, etc., old money from generations, etc.
You guys have the cause and effect backwards. Men watch porn because they are lonely, not the other way around. There is somewhat of a feedback loop (watching the porn can make someone more isolated, and in turn consume more porn), but it's not like men are turning down dates and sex to watch porn alone, they do it because they have no other options.
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