Grant Fisher on Let's Run. EPIC Interview

If Fisher/Scannell were influenced by Jakob's training philosophy, it started way back in high school. His training then was threshold runs (interval & continuous), short hill reps, and long runs. No double threshold sessions at that point, but still very threshold based. And Scannell was already doing on-site lactate testing then (when Grant was in HS). So, the training he's doing now isn't a knee-jerk reaction to Jakob's success over the last 3-5 years.

Such a mean response.

It’s a new year. Hope you can find happiness.

Big fan of Grant Fisher. He is a great runner and because of such it has been wonderful to gain a glimpse of Grant tge person through his many interviews.

He sounds very excited for his future.

You write about his coach in a way that you have personal support experience. If so, sheds light on this being a great reunion of past coach and athlete.

Grant and his coach are putting together a comprehensive training/racing plan specific to his needs and goals. Grant used the word “collaboration”. Great to hear; so many coaches seem to be more dictatorial then collaborative. How can any coach think to act that way with any world class runner?

Grant indicated Park City is his home base, with having the flexibility to train elsewhere like Flagstaff and Phoenix in the winter months. That is an ideal setup. Especially since he can hook up with training partners in this locations.

From reading about and listening to Grant over the years, I understand his parents moved to the Austin area and also have a place at Whistler mountain. Those two places are also great places to choose from for training.

Grant is a very smart guy and likely very comfortable in a scientific approach to training and feels that is his best way to medaling in Paris.

Perfect for him.

Go Grant!

Jacob has a huge coaching ( brothers ) and support system. Grant has nothing. Yeah great choice the year before the Olympics.

To each their own

In response to your questions:

What type of specific speed training do you, or will be having Grant do to position him for a quick speed acceleration for the last 200m of the 10000?

Again, this is a coaching philosophy question so I'll answer it based on my approach.

At and ADVANCED level (20+ years old with several years of development), I believe in interval sessions of 60 seconds with little rest (60 seconds). This is a standard workout for many college/pro athletes. I do not do this with HS runners. Ever. But that is just me. I know a lot of HS Coaches use this type of training often (and it works). This drives/trains lactate tolerance levels very well. Long aggressive hills also does this. Grant is obviously at this level. As a target for this type of work, I like about 12 minutes of work per session and a max of 16 minutes.

Tempo sessions target a MINIMUM of 24 minutes; same with VO2. I don't know what level athlete you're working with so I'll leave those targets for now.

How are you building strength work into his training to set him up so he is fresher when the kicking begins?

Well, training the lower levels of acidity allows you to run 'easier' at faster paces. So, the greatest advantage of proper training is that when the racing starts, your athlete is simply not tired. Clearly, leg turnover and speed are required to run the last 75-90 seconds of a championship style event so we train that. Just not all year. This type of training can be absorbed in 6 weeks or so.

Your statement about Grant is so untrue.

Perhaps you haven’t listened to his interviews over the years like I have. Grant has often acknowledged his support system as a young kid all the way through to where he is now .

This interview, which this thread is about, he blushingly comments that there isn’t too many people that can train (keep up) with him. He and Centro sometimes train together in Park City. In Flag he will have several guys he knows to be able to train with. BTC guys go to Park City in the Spring.

At great length, Grant explains the pros and cons to group training and individual training focus. Do you listen to what he said or do you have a set in stone viewpoint”.

What may be hard to understand about blood lactate training on the critical training days is how specific it is to the individual athlete. On those days there may be one or two guys in North America who can hang with Grant. So ya from that point it is as another poster said “it’s lonely at the top”

You are right when stating “to each his own”. That seems to be the theme of recent departures at BTC (Mark Scott, Woody Kincaid, Grant Fisher, Copper Teare, Elise Cranny). They can’t all be wrong. And you should not be so smug to think you know better.

I wish them nothing but the best. These are some of the greatest talents in USA (Mark Scott is British). They have huge support (hopefully yours too), naturally, self created, great new training setups that are undoubtedly well thought out, coaches they believe can help them reach their goals. They are open with their thoughts and are not alone in their pursuit.

agree about the prior threshold training grant has done.

...but why did he decide to just train by himself?

surely having a good team around you would help you more than going at it alone

^ read reply above

Grant’s new coach is identical to Steve Magness. Someone who is self absorbed and caught up in the wrong things.

we know how Steve’s coaching career went. He had all these pro’s convinced he know his sh!t and they all ended up leaving him

Why are you so rude??

its Jerrys burner account

Dear Coach, I have huge respect for your coaching-only knowledge but if you give me the freedom (which I'm sure you will) to embolden and enliven your knowledge to the next level (spiritual) I will do it for you right now! They don't call me the God-centric RF King on LRC for no reason:

1. All training is electromagnetic illusion (of the senses)!!!

2. Training is just an expression of the forces of interaction of electromagnetic Mother Nature between the internal sphere of the human body/mind and the external surrounding environment!!!

3. By 2 above, and since the electromagnetic forces are more ubiquitous in the external environment than in the internal human body environment and is what informs and encodes for human behavior and high-performance, then the overwhelming focus of training couldn't and shouldn't be the human body per se but rather the numbers and quality of the electromagnetic forces and fields in the external environment---which would produce the electromagnetic framework that transcribes for feats of human high-performance achievement at the DNA, cellular, neuro-muscular, mitochondrial indeed spiritual/mental level which are all governed by laws of electromagnetism.

4. If 3 is too difficult comprehend for the average non-RF LRCer, then I will simply state that all training is human endeavor is fruitless and 'grasping for the wind'. Scripture has stated the same from Ecclesiastes 1:14---"I have seen all the things that are done under the sun, and have found them all to be futile, a pursuit of the wind." Training is the same, dear Coach.

5. Whether it's training to tailor to the athlete or the other way round is all the same futility, says Scripture.

6. The rise and downfall or whatever everything about Grant Fisher or any other athlete or non-athlete in this planet earth has nothing to do per se with training or the lack of it.

7. Environmental theory, which is superior to training-only or athlete-centric theory, says that if Grant Fisher could be the runner he was, is or will be it was because of a stroke of good fortune from God. What do I mean? Well Grant Fisher met with a good patch of land/environment relatively devoid of physiologically (cellularly and genetically) degrading anthropogenic RF and EMF pollutants throughout his growing up childhood and teenage years which automatically already sets the potential in him to unravel elite high-performance athletic achievements in distance events. It was there in him already by virtue of a suitable RF and EMF environment. Think Daniel Komen who grew up in bushlands far more devoid and secluded of anthropogenic RF and EMF pollutants, the same thing applies to a varying degree with Grant Fisher.

8. Since the outcome is already known to a very high probability to RF Kings like me on retrospection at the way Grant Fisher environmental living conditions were as a child, the subsequent process of Grant Fisher iterating and reiterating his living, training and racing habits into an ideal format that could completely unleash this already known (to me an RF King!!) future outcome of a successful high-performance distance runner becomes INCONSEQUENTIAL---or must be a series of wave-like illusions of little pain/struggles and successes alternating back and forth.

9. And since Grant Fisher nor you, dear coach, are none the wiser as to the true electromagnetic nature of all these reality of which I describe above, then each of your individual experiences of high-performance distance training and racing as well as those with one another have got to be complete illusions as well since both of you, unlike me an RF King, couldn't see, tell or know ahead of time and space with any certainty what the future time and space holds for Grant Fisher based on his set of electromagnetic environmental living conditions during childhood (and to some extent also right now in adulthood)!

10. Dear Coach, I again have huge respect for you but I hope you can humbly accept one day that all human endeavor, human behavior, indeed including human high-performance training and racing lacks temporality if we omit to consider, treat and diagnose the overarching electromagnetic (both natural and anthropogenic) environment.

Cheers

Incorrect, read my naturally superior comments to understand that the only thing that Grant Fisher's coach got caught up wrongly in is training---which is a complete ILLUSION (LIE)! Training is fickle just like a woman or the feminine gender in general! It keeps changing, keeps tailoring day after day, week after week, year after year just like the heart and soul of a woman!!! Do you pity the man who constantly needs to keep abreast of the wayward and vain/immoral urges and desires of his woman day after day? Yes you do!!!

Only constant and unchanging things can be inerrant or sovereignly true! Training doesn't fit this behavior! This is therefore why training CANNOT BE TRUE HENCE CANNOT ALSO MAKE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOLD, SILVER AND BRONZE IN HIGH-PERFORMANCE DISTANCE SPORT!

I don't know what will do Grant Fisher this year because the competition is hard.

But it may be this is the year of shine of Aregawi.

What type of training would I have Grant Fisher do to position him for a quick speed acceleration over the final 200m of a 10000m race?

My answer:

Any speed ladder training ranging from 30 seconds to 60 seconds will do duh! And I do mean ANY. And the reason why I'm not that particular because I understand that training isn't going to be the minor, let alone major, difference between gold, silver, or bronze or even not medaling. Instead, background noise levels from anthropogenic RF and EMF exposures are going to be the main issue.

Why would I be concern about how well Grant execute speed training in one location in Park City Utah when he will be racing in Paris city in another much different anthropogenic RF and EMF environment altogether? Obviously, he is going to find it harder to shift gears across different and more intense anthropogenic RF and EMF environments. As a coach, I'm not going to be too concern with 'speed training theories'. I'll just give him anything or everything but get him to turn off all his anthropogenic RF and EMF devices for 23 hours a day for 365 days a year! The latter will be the best training I can ever give him! It will prepare him for anything and everything.

Classic LetsRun unfortunately. Fantastic thread derailed by someone quadruple posting nonsense.

Thank you Coach for answering all these questions. Very insightful!

Can someone please ban this guy. All of his posts are long walls of text boiling down to how terrible Bluetooth and wireless technology is for the human body. Like……..nobody cares

Thank you coach for taking the time to be thoughtful and share your knowledge. It is awesome. I get a bit lost in jargon and am still trying to piece together the elements that you use with Grant for training (and I would love to hear how you would generalize it then modify it for run training athletes in general).

Hopefully a very easy question: what does Grant mean when he says a strength run workout?

And would love if you would spell out what you consider the key workouts (and examples of what these might look like). What does a VO2 max workout look like? What is speed endurance? What are Grant's hill workouts like? (?What is lactate tolerance workout?)

And if you might, from the interview it sounded like one of Grant's biggest aims is to reduce the chances of getting "over-cooked" (and then injured). I know he plans a bit of a down period to set him up for that final training block for championship races. Are there ways you feel you can monitor over-training (both for Grant specifically, and then more generally for runners overall)?

Look, my response is the most unique and advanced not only in LRC but actually the entire history of mankind's existence? My response is a few notches higher in terms of the soul than the 'next-best' comment or response because I obviously invoke much closer to the spiritual realm---which is also more abstract than the simple physical eyes and ears may appreciate, right?

If I were really a hater I would be trying to incite the flames and urges of the carnal human flesh against another but I'm rather inciting the spirit/soul instead!

It must be very likely therefore that the person calling me a hater is himself prone to the internal flames and urges of his/her own carnal human flesh, right??