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A tale of 2 conferences wrote:
It has always amazed me how lopsided the men’s side of this conference has been the past 10 years or so, and the trend continues. CU, UO, Stanford and Washington have all been top tier while Arizona, ASU, Cal and WSU have all been stomped. UCLA is the wild card that seems to wander between the 2 sides from year to year. Such a stark difference between top tier and bottom tier programs, none of the bottom teams ever have a prayer of cracking the top 4 on their best day.
I did a little more digging on this. Here are the finishing team positions from the past 10 championships, starting in 2014 and ending in 2023. Note: there are only 9 Mens teams
CU: 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 1, 2, 4
UO: 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 2, 4, 4, 4, 3
Stanford: 3, 2, 2, 1, 1, 3, 1, 2, 1, 1
UW: 4, 4, 7, 5, 2, 5, 3, 3, 3, 2
UCLA: 5, 5, 3, 3, 6, 4, 5, 6, 5, 8
ASU: 6, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 7, 8, 9
Cal: 7, 7, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 5
UA: 8, 9, 9, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 7, 7
WSU: 9, 6, 5, 6, 5, 6, 6, 5, 6, 6It’s incredible how consistent these results are for a full decade & through multiple “cycles” of roster turnover. Over the course of 10 years the year-to-year variation of team finishing positions is remarkably small. Below is a breakdown of how many occurrences each year-over-year variance had.
Same: 29
+/- 1 place: 32
+/- 2 places: 13
+/- 3 places: 6+/- 4 places: 1
+/- 5 places or more: 0
75% of finishes were within 1 position or the same position as the prior year. Only 8% of the time did a team have a +\- of 3 or more.
But that’s all she wrote for the PAC12. See you in your next lives in the new super-conferences..going to be very interesting for some of these teams going from a 9-team conference meet to 16+ team fields in the Big10/Big12 conferences.
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Podcast in 2021 wrote:
Podcast in 2021 wrote:
2023 Pac 12 Conference Championship Women 6 km - hosted by the University of Washington- 1 - Washington 58
- 2 - Stanford 60
- 3 1 Colorado 87
- 4 1 Oregon 88
- 5 - Utah 103
- 6 - Oregon State 105
- 7 - UCLA 195
- 8 - California 256
- 9 - Washington St. 258
- 10 - Arizona 295
- 11 - Usc 336
- 12 - Arizona State 351
- 1 - Amy Bunnage Stanford 19:09.7 1
- 2 - Grace Fetherstonhaugh Oregon State 19:15.1 2
- 3 - Kaylee Mitchell Oregon State 19:19.9 3
- 4 - Maddy Elmore Oregon 19:23.8 4
- 5 3 Lucy Jenks Stanford 19:30.0 5
- 6 - Sophie O'Sullivan Washington 19:33.8 6
- 7 4 Chloe Foerster Washington 19:34.2 7
- 8 1 Karrie Baloga Colorado 19:34.5 8
- 9 4 Mckaylie Caesar Utah 19:36.0 9
- 10 3 Julia David-Smith Washington 19:37.0 10
- 11 1 Izzy Thornton-Bott Oregon 19:41.0 11
- 12 2 Emily Covert Colorado 19:42.8 12
- 13 1 Ella Baran Colorado 19:43.5 13
- 14 1 India Weir Washington 19:49.7 14
- 15 4 Katarzyna Nowakowska Utah 19:50.4 15 16 3 Annastasia Peters Utah 19:51.4 16 17 - Riley Stewart Stanford 19:53.6 17 18 2 Grace Connolly Stanford 19:54.2 18 19 1 Zofia Dudek Stanford 19:55.4 19 20 3 Morgan Jensen Utah 19:55.9 20 21 1 Tori Herman Washington 19:57.6 21 22 1 Anika Thompson Oregon 19:59.5 22 23 1 Sophia Kennedy Stanford 19:59.5 23 24 - Katie Clute Oregon 20:04.0 24 25 4 Samree Dishon Colorado 20:06.9 25 26 1 Abi Archer Stanford 20:07.3 26 27 2 Klaudia Kazimierska Oregon 20:09.7 27 28 4 Ella Nelson Oregon 20:10.3 28 29 1 Katie Doucette Colorado 20:14.9 29 30 4 Ruby Broadbent Oregon State 20:15.5 30 31 5 Mia Kane Ucla 20:20.4 31 32 2 Ava Parekh Stanford 20:21.4 33 2 Caroline Jerotich Washington St. 20:23.0 32 34 1 Ella Borsheim Washington 20:25.7 33 35 1 Sage Brooks Oregon State 20:27.1 34 36 3 Amelia Stacey California 20:28.1 35 37 2 Nicola Hogg Stanford 20:28.5 38 2 Kate Laurent Oregon State 20:29.7 36 39 3 Naomi Smith Washington 20:30.5 37 40 1 Chloe Browne Ucla 20:33.0 38 41 4 Sailor Hutton Arizona 20:33.9 39 42 8 Samantha Friborg Washington 20:37.3 43 5 Angelina Shandro Ucla 20:38.2 40 44 3 Abigail Pradere Oregon State 20:39.2 41 45 - Hailey Golmon Ucla 20:42.7 42 46 3 Clara Mayfield Utah 20:44.4 43 47 1 Brooke Johnston Ucla 20:45.2 44 48 4 Rosalie Fish Washington 20:45.7 49 3 Kyla Martin Utah 20:46.8 45 50 1 Caroline Wells Stanford 20:51.5 51 7 Alaina Stone Boggs Washington St. 20:54.1 46 52 2 Georgia McCorkle California 20:56.1 47 53 1 Kaho Cichon Ucla 20:56.2 48 54 3 Neema Kimtai Washington St. 20:58.6 49 55 2 Bella Browne Ucla 20:59.3 50 56 - Tatum Miller Oregon 21:00.2 51 57 - Claire Yerby California 21:03.2 52 58 3 Noemi Lundgren Oregon State 21:05.7 53 59 5 Sadie Heeringa Arizona State 21:06.6 54 60 1 Ellie Lundgreen Utah 21:08.0 55 61 1 Karli Branch Utah 21:08.1 62 1 Maddie Reed Utah 21:11.5 63 5 Marlena Preigh Washington 21:12.4 64 1 Harper McClain Oregon 21:14.4 65 3 Alisa Lyesina Arizona 21:14.8 56 66 1 Elliot Pribramsky Colorado 21:17.1 57 67 1 Tiya Chamberlain Colorado 21:18.6 58 68 4 Teaghan Knox Oregon State 21:21.2 69 5 Gigi Maccagnini Usc 21:22.0 59 70 - Addie Johnson California 21:22.3 60 71 6 Allura Markow Oregon 21:23.8 72 3 Caroline Fischer Utah 21:26.1 73 - Emily Foote Oregon State 21:29.0 74 2 Nicole Bissell Washington St. 21:33.7 61 75 - Sage Holter California 21:35.4 62 76 5 Whitney Valenti Colorado 21:40.5 77 - Tracy Towns Usc 21:42.1 63 78 1 Anastasia Snodgrass California 21:43.4 64 79 2 Sorcha Shiu Arizona 21:46.6 65 80 - Kelly Wetteland Arizona 21:46.8 66 81 3 Marjourie Lopez Usc 21:47.5 67 82 - Rose Pittman Ucla 21:55.2 83 - Claire Le Gallo Arizona State 22:03.4 68 84 1 Johnnie Mitchell Arizona 22:07.3 69 85 2 Delaney Griffin Oregon State 22:11.2 86 - Maya Nichols Washington St. 22:11.9 70 87 3 Annika Salz Ucla 22:16.9 88 2 Sophie Tau California 22:21.5 71 89 - Sydney Morrow California 22:23.2 90 2 Mia Chavez Arizona State 22:29.6 72 91 - Marina Soares Usc 22:35.5 73 92 1 Marne Sullivan Usc 22:35.9 74 93 1 Jaylyn Lehner Washington St. 22:39.7 75 94 22:44.6 95 3 Isabela Alvarado Washington St. 22:46.8 76 96 - Gracie Carr Arizona State 22:51.6 77 97 2 Sage Patzer Arizona 22:54.7 78 98 1 Hanna Bailey Washington St. 23:04.4 99 1 Angelina Vasquez Usc 23:15.1 79 100 - Kylie Miller Arizona State 23:25.3 80 101 - Dasha Zerboni California 23:31.2 102 3 Lucia Rabolli Usc 23:32.3 81 103 - Sophia Cushman Washington St. 23:37.2 104 - Haley Spoden Usc 23:43.1 105 3 Jenna Lee Arizona State 23:44.3 82 106 1 Kate Miller Arizona State 24:05.0 83
2023 Pacific 12 Conference Championship Men 8 km - hosted by the University of Washington Results
1 Ky Robinson, Stanford 22:40.20 8 1
2 Luke Houser, Washington 22:51.80 8 2
3 Cole Sprout, Stanford 22:56.50 8 4
3 Nathan Green, Washington 22:56.50 8 3
5 Elliott Cook, Oregon 23:00.30 8 5
6 Josh Edwards, Oregon 23:02.50 8 6
7 Quincy Norman, Oregon 23:03.30 8 7
8 Austin Vancil, Colorado 23:09.00 8 8
9 Robert DiDonato, Stanford 23:10.50 8 9
10 Evan Jenkins, Washington 23:12.90 8 10
11 Noah Hibbard, Colorado 23:16.30 8 11
12 Lex Young, Stanford 23:17.50 8 12
13 Garrett MacQuiddy, California 23:18.20 8 13
14 Carrick Denker, California 23:19.10 8 14
15 Evan Burke, Stanford 23:20.50 8 15
16 Leo Daschbach, Washington 23:20.70 8 16
17 Paul Stafford, Colorado 23:20.80 8 17
18 Isaiah Givens, Colorado 23:27.30 8 18
19 Tyrone Gorze, Washington 23:29.70 8 19
20 Abdinasir Hussein, Oregon 23:31.50 8 20
21 Jamar Distel, Washington 23:32.60 8 21
22 Aiden Smith, Oregon 23:33.20 8 22
23 Brian Barsaiya, Washington St. 23:33.50 8 23
24 Benjamin Balazs, Oregon 23:33.80 8 24
25 Giuliano Scasso, Oregon 23:37.00 8 25
26 Joe Waskom, Washington 23:39.20 8 26
27 Jake Derouin, Colorado 23:43.10 8 27
28 Kelvin Limo, Washington St. 23:48.10 8 28
29 Connor Burns, Oregon 23:50.30 8
30 James Overberg, Colorado 23:53.10 8 29
31 Ronan McMahon-Staggs, Washington 23:54.50 8
32 Caleb Niednagel, Colorado 23:56.60 8 30
33 Leif Swanson, Washington St. 23:57.20 8 31
34 Charles Welch, Colorado 23:59.30 8
35 Caden Carney, California 24:00.30 8 32
36 Ian Sanchez Lopez, Arizona 24:00.50 8 33
37 Michael Urbanski, Arizona 24:00.90 8 34
38 John Sesteaga, California 24:05.40 8 35
39 James Crabtree, Washington 24:07.40 8
40 Zane Bergen, Stanford 24:08.10 8 36
41 Milo Skapinsky, Stanford 24:08.20 8 37
42 Justin Pretre, California 24:09.70 8 38
43 Archie Noakes, Oregon 24:17.50 8
44 Kutoven Stevens, Oregon 24:18.50 8
45 Callum Sherry, Stanford 24:20.40 8
46 Kyle Ortega-Gammill, Washington St. 24:22.90 8 39
47 Mateo Bianchi, Ucla 24:23.90 8 40
48 Noah Jodon, Arizona 24:25.30 8 41
49 Grady Rauba, Colorado 24:27.00 8
50 Brennan Foody, Arizona 24:28.10 8 42
51 Gabe Abbes, California 24:28.80 8 43
52 Liam Anderson, Stanford 24:30.80 8
53 Dylan Wilbur, Ucla 24:34.90 8 44
54 Cooper Quigley, Arizona 24:41.00 8 45
55 Harrison Dance, Ucla 24:46.90 8 46
56 Micah Galeana, Washington St. 24:49.50 8 47
57 Jacob Easton, Washington St. 24:52.30 8 48
58 Julian Doak, California 24:57.70 8 49
59 Gibson Kibia, Arizona 24:57.80 8 50
60 Tyler Schierenberg, Arizona State 25:04.00 8 51
61 Ethan Martin, Washington St. 25:06.90 8 52
62 Johnathan Estrada, Arizona State 25:14.20 8 53
63 John Lester, Stanford 25:18.00 8
64 Eric Gibson, Washington 25:20.20 8
65 Alex Lodewick, California 25:22.20 8
66 Evan Bruce, Washington St. 25:24.80 8
67 Andrew Gibby, Arizona 25:27.70 8 54
68 Eric Swedin, Washington St. 25:28.90 8
69 Hunter Appleton, Colorado 25:32.30 8
70 Conor Gibson, Ucla 25:33.80 8 55
71 Jai Dawson, Ucla 25:36.90 8 56
72 Kristian Kimberlin, Arizona State 25:55.40 8 57
73 Chris Chavez, Ucla 26:04.50 8 58
74 Ethan Bukowski, Arizona State 26:11.20 8 59
75 Mark Cortes, Ucla 26:23.50 8 60
76 Grayson Wilcott, Washington St. 26:41.00 8
77 Rowdy Menefee, Arizona State 26:51.30 8 61
78 Zach Weaver, Arizona State 26:52.10 8 62
79 Asher Leslie, Arizona State 26:57.80 8 63Team Scores Results - Men
1 Stanford 41 1 4 9 12 15 36 37
Total Time: 1:55:25.20 Average: 23:05.04
2 Washington 50 2 3 10 16 19 21 26
Total Time: 1:55:51.61 Average: 23:10.32
3 Oregon 60 5 6 7 20 22 24 25
Total Time: 1:56:10.80 Average: 23:14.16
4 Colorado 81 8 11 17 18 27 29 30
Total Time: 1:56:56.50 Average: 23:23.30
5 California 132 13 14 32 35 38 43 49
Total Time: 1:58:52.70 Average: 23:46.54
6 Washington St. 168 23 28 31 39 47 48 52
Total Time: 2:00:31.20 Average: 24:06.24
7 Arizona 195 33 34 41 42 45 50 54
Total Time: 2:01:35.80 Average: 24:19.16
8 Ucla 241 40 44 46 55 56 58 60
Total Time: 2:04:56.40 Average: 24:59.28
9 Arizona State 281 51 53 57 59 61 62 63
Total Time: 2:09:16.10 Average: 25:51.22Noakes 1min behind Young, that's not right, what's happening at Oregon?
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A tale of 2 conferences wrote:
Over the course of 10 years the year-to-year variation of team finishing positions is remarkably small. Below is a breakdown of how many occurrences each year-over-year variance had.
Same: 29
+/- 1 place: 32
+/- 2 places: 13
+/- 3 places: 6+/- 4 places: 1
+/- 5 places or more: 0
To clarify, this means each team’s finishing result versus their prior year. For example, the only 4 position variance was Cal going from 9->5 in 2022/23, and a zero or “same” place variance is Stanford winning back to back in 2022/23 (1->1)
As opposed to “4 teams finishing in different positions from where they finished the prior year”, that is not the math I did for the above figures.
Another nugget: with the exception of UW in 16, 17 & 19, in all 10 years CU, UO, UW and Stanford have shared the top 4 positions amongst one another. It’s an exclusive club up top!
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A tale of 2 conferences wrote:
A tale of 2 conferences wrote:
It has always amazed me how lopsided the men’s side of this conference has been the past 10 years or so, and the trend continues. CU, UO, Stanford and Washington have all been top tier while Arizona, ASU, Cal and WSU have all been stomped. UCLA is the wild card that seems to wander between the 2 sides from year to year. Such a stark difference between top tier and bottom tier programs, none of the bottom teams ever have a prayer of cracking the top 4 on their best day.
I did a little more digging on this. Here are the finishing team positions from the past 10 championships, starting in 2014 and ending in 2023. Note: there are only 9 Mens teams
CU: 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2, 1, 2, 4
UO: 2, 3, 4, 4, 4, 2, 4, 4, 4, 3
Stanford: 3, 2, 2, 1, 1, 3, 1, 2, 1, 1
UW: 4, 4, 7, 5, 2, 5, 3, 3, 3, 2
UCLA: 5, 5, 3, 3, 6, 4, 5, 6, 5, 8
ASU: 6, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9, 7, 8, 9
Cal: 7, 7, 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 5
UA: 8, 9, 9, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9, 7, 7
WSU: 9, 6, 5, 6, 5, 6, 6, 5, 6, 6It’s incredible how consistent these results are for a full decade & through multiple “cycles” of roster turnover. Over the course of 10 years the year-to-year variation of team finishing positions is remarkably small. Below is a breakdown of how many occurrences each year-over-year variance had.
Same: 29
+/- 1 place: 32
+/- 2 places: 13
+/- 3 places: 6+/- 4 places: 1
+/- 5 places or more: 0
75% of finishes were within 1 position or the same position as the prior year. Only 8% of the time did a team have a +\- of 3 or more.
But that’s all she wrote for the PAC12. See you in your next lives in the new super-conferences..going to be very interesting for some of these teams going from a 9-team conference meet to 16+ team fields in the Big10/Big12 conferences.
Wtf happened to ASU? Back when Walt and Louie were there they were respectable. They’re an absolute joke.
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Aussiegrandmas wrote:
Aussies clean up because their like 23 when they get to college.
'They are...'
Amy Bunnage, Ky Robinson, Jackson Sharp, Adam Spencer all arrived in NCAA as 18 year olds.
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Aussiegrandmas wrote:
Aussies clean up because their like 23 when they get to college.
Bunnage is 18?
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haaaa wrote:
Aussiegrandmas wrote:
Aussies clean up because their like 23 when they get to college.
Bunnage is 18?
WA says she was born in March of 2005, so yes
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Hopefully she runs much smarter at Nationals.
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astro wrote:
Hopefully she runs much smarter at Nationals.
I think she learned her lesson. There should be a big pack not going with Valby and the few who go with her.
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Wazzu ranked 10th in the west (wazzu coach does the rankings)
Wazzu takes 9th at pac 12 (probably will move her team up to 8th)
ridiculous all year
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rbtrackfan wrote:
astro wrote:
Hopefully she runs much smarter at Nationals.
I think she learned her lesson. There should be a big pack not going with Valby and the few who go with her.
I doubt anyone will be going with Valby at Nationals.
It will be the same as last year. Valby will take off all by herself, and Touhy will be the only one to try to catch her.
Everyone else will be racing for third place.
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rbtrackfan wrote:
I think she learned her lesson. There should be a big pack not going with Valby and the few who go with her.
No inside info here . . . but Bunnage probably got the ok to stick w/Valby & Tuohy at Nuttycombe for as long as she could . . . which turned out to be 2.3k . . . just to find out what it feels like to run that fast and learn what it will take to become a future NCAA champion.
As a result, Amy fell back to 13th . . . finishing 15 seconds behind Kaylee Mitchell/OR State in 4th . . . who finished 3rd yesterday at Pac-12s . . . 10 secs behind winner Bunnage.
Also, worth noting Bunnage finished 5 secs behind Maatoug/Duke at Nuttycombe . . . and Maatoug just ran the xc race of her life yesterday at ACCs to finish only 7 seconds behind Tuohy in 2nd.
Unless Lemngole/AL thinks she was off yesterday at SECs and decides to go for the win at NCAAs . . . it will be Valby & Tuohy out front . . . then a very elite chase pack including Lemngole, Chmiel, Maatoug, Mitchell . . . and Bunnage . . . then everyone else . . .
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Think Again wrote:
rbtrackfan wrote:
I think she learned her lesson. There should be a big pack not going with Valby and the few who go with her.
I doubt anyone will be going with Valby at Nationals.
It will be the same as last year. Valby will take off all by herself, and Touhy will be the only one to try to catch her.
Everyone else will be racing for third place.
Even though Lemngole and Olemomoi just got burned, I think there is a chance they go out . I could sort of see Bunnage trying for it again, Machu, some others...
Tuohy also can't let her get away like that this year or the gap will be a lot bigger than it was last championships... I don't know if she has a choice if she wants the title.
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Bunnage will finish 3rd, IF she arrives at the start line healthy.
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Blank231 wrote:
Think Again wrote:
I doubt anyone will be going with Valby at Nationals.
It will be the same as last year. Valby will take off all by herself, and Touhy will be the only one to try to catch her.
Everyone else will be racing for third place.
Even though Lemngole and Olemomoi just got burned, I think there is a chance they go out . I could sort of see Bunnage trying for it again, Machu, some others...
Tuohy also can't let her get away like that this year or the gap will be a lot bigger than it was last championships... I don't know if she has a choice if she wants the title.
When all the points are tallied, there might be some shocking results when looking at the podium berths. Some literally could be decided by one or two points, if not a tie.
So is Tuohy’s first priority to go for the National Title, or is it to hold her position and not give up any sticks to the chase pack?
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cross country wrote:
Blank231 wrote:
Even though Lemngole and Olemomoi just got burned, I think there is a chance they go out . I could sort of see Bunnage trying for it again, Machu, some others...
Tuohy also can't let her get away like that this year or the gap will be a lot bigger than it was last championships... I don't know if she has a choice if she wants the title.
When all the points are tallied, there might be some shocking results when looking at the podium berths. Some literally could be decided by one or two points, if not a tie.
So is Tuohy’s first priority to go for the National Title, or is it to hold her position and not give up any sticks to the chase pack?
This was not a question Tuohy faced last year, when NCState was clearly the dominant leader.
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