So you've gone from saying that her POV was 'backwards' and 'outdated' to saying that her stance was actually so self-evident that she was very obviously going to be at the cutting edge of the zeitgeist on this matter all along. Quite an impressive 180, I must say.
P.S. noone is stopping transgender people from playing sports. If you restrict a heavyweight boxer from competing against flyweights, they haven't been 'banned' have they?
Ugh. I was being sarcastic. It is not impressive that RunRagged foretold myopic bigotry.
Your boxing analogy is apt. Telling a transgender person that they must compete in their birth gender is like telling a boxer they must compete in a previous weight class. If a heavyweight boxer cuts 20 pounds, would you say, “Sorry, you used to be a heavyweight, so you have to compete there”?
No. You can your weight, and your participation category changes with it. Likewise, you can change your gender, and your participation category changes with it.
The days of competitive sports for women is over. I hate to see it but even women wanted it this way, because they wanted to be politically correct. Now it's come back to haunt those who it truly affects. You can't have it both ways folks. I think they should just create another gender category and let those that are confused about what they are compete against each other.
You could've also quoted the competitor in the Press-Herald article who "said she had liked having Stark-Chessa in the conference meet. 'Having competition in the conference meet was great.'”
Most of the Maine athletes I've talked to are supportive of trans athletes and resent the outsiders that are bullying their 15-17 year old peers and trying to make their sport more toxic and hostile.
I wish the culture warriors could see, or cared about, the damage they're doing. The last thing we need in Maine is less participation.
So you've gone from saying that her POV was 'backwards' and 'outdated' to saying that her stance was actually so self-evident that she was very obviously going to be at the cutting edge of the zeitgeist on this matter all along. Quite an impressive 180, I must say.
P.S. noone is stopping transgender people from playing sports. If you restrict a heavyweight boxer from competing against flyweights, they haven't been 'banned' have they?
Ugh. I was being sarcastic. It is not impressive that RunRagged foretold myopic bigotry.
Your boxing analogy is apt. Telling a transgender person that they must compete in their birth gender is like telling a boxer they must compete in a previous weight class. If a heavyweight boxer cuts 20 pounds, would you say, “Sorry, you used to be a heavyweight, so you have to compete there”?
No. You can your weight, and your participation category changes with it. Likewise, you can change your gender, and your participation category changes with it.
"Ugh. I was being sarcastic"- well yes, obviously, but a term like 'outdated' implies public perception of a topic- and the public (minus a few blue haired extremists) are very much on her side.
A boxer can objectively change weight. They can't change sex. Noone can change sex. If they could change sex then your analogy would make sense. But they can't so it doesn't. What you are in fact advocating for is a 210lb heavyweight boxer who strongly feels like he is a flyweight to fight against flyweights.
"Ugh. I was being sarcastic"- well yes, obviously, but a term like 'outdated' implies public perception of a topic- and the public (minus a few blue haired extremists) are very much on her side.
A boxer can objectively change weight. They can't change sex. Noone can change sex. If they could change sex then your analogy would make sense. But they can't so it doesn't. What you are in fact advocating for is a 210lb heavyweight boxer who strongly feels like he is a flyweight to fight against flyweights.
I guess this is the point of contention where we can never hope to move beyond. You say that you can’t change sex, I say you can. I am not advocating for boxers to say they “feel” a certain weight. You made that up.
Your whole argument against transgender participation in sports is that transgenderism does not exist. I get it. For the sake of consistency, do you also feel that transgender people should use the bathroom of their birth-assigned sex? Would you say, “I’m not denying you the right to use a bathroom. Im just saying you are male, so you have to use the male bathroom.”
I wish the culture warriors could see, or cared about, the damage they're doing.
+1. Let girls run against girls and stop trying to make everyone believe that a biological male is a female who requires exceptions at the expense of fairness.
Transgender runner who competed last year on the boys team wins Maine regionals by a minute and a half. One of the girls who placed lower as a result spoke out in the article below. Allowing this is so discouraging and unfair to young female athletes.
Winthrop senior Haley Williams, the runner-up as a sophomore and junior, finished third in 20:59.11. Williams said she knew second place would be her best possible finish this year, “because as you probably know there is a runner that identifies as female, and they were running the boys’ race last year, and they decided to run the girls’ race this year. And it’s really, it’s very upsetting to me because I’ve worked my butt off all year.”
I'm guessing that in high school there is no hormone therapy going on. Is this just simply a boy who says I'm a girl?
In 1976 I was an 11th grade boy running 2:00 for 800. I rarely won races. If I identified as a girl I would have had a shot at making the Olympic Team.
It's just not as simple as saying I'm a girl.
And notice- you never see girls who identify as boys in the boy's race.
I think this has to be addressed. It's not fair to biological girls that they have to compete against a biological boy who's only change is his name from Michael to Michelle.
The fact that you are comparing XC times run by different runners on different courses in different climates proves that you are clueless about the sport.
And yes, it is unfair that a biological female is beaten by a biological male pretending to be female when the race is supposed to be for females.
Do you really think Ms Williams would have a remote chance of medaling in the CA SS? A few years back my daughter ran 18:01 in her CA regional meet (sectional meet) and she got 3rd. She was deprived of a gold medal simply because of her zip code. Oh the injustice!!
You're identifying as a Wise Old Man...you're not. You might in fact be Old, but Wise is a word too far.
And notice- you never see girls who identify as boys in the boy's race.
I see this happen all the time where I live. You don’t see it because you live in a MSM bubble.
I attend a lot of meets. I've personally never seen either. I live in a place that has fairly moderate politics. I've only heard of these stories out of politically homogeneous "progressive" states. Maine, California and Washington are the salient examples this year. Connecticut was the first time I had heard of a real-life example...when 2 average athletic kids ran as boys for indoor track and 3 months later voila they finished 1-2 at outdoor state.
Just to be clear, this is not woke nor liberal. I am a liberal progressive, but the women's category is that for a reason, and it's unfair to women to have trans runners in their category. It's that simple. Not political. Not woke. Unfair and thus inappropriate. I don't know any liberals or woke-type folks who support this. The defining line can be unclear at times, as it was with Caster and others who lived as female from birth, but once defined it is important to honor that line. This does not.
And this is why no one takes CA seriously anymore. You all are so married to your religion of wokeness that you don't see its insanity. We are all laughing at you.
The NCAA and other organizations need to enforce registration by BIOLOGICAL sex, in other words - Birth Gender, so we can stop hurting women's sport. This doesn't need to be controversial or difficult.
I guess this is the point of contention where we can never hope to move beyond. You say that you can’t change sex, I say you can.
Yes, I agree- there is no possible way we can rationally discuss this if you think a human being can change sex. I think a person can go to fairly extreme measures to impersonate the opposite sex but that is hardly the same thing. I could take extreme surgical and cosmetic measures to look like a chimpanzee. I could even manipulate my hormones to grow more body hair. Some people might even mistake me for a chimpanzee in passing. What's more, I could honestly and sincerely believe that I am a chimpanzee and that I was born with a chimpanzee brain but in the wrong body. But I wouldn't be a chimpanzee. And I could never be a chimpanzee. A chimpanzee isn't just a surgically altered human; and a woman isn't just a man without balls.
Your whole argument against transgender participation in sports is that transgenderism does not exist. I get it. For the sake of consistency, do you also feel that transgender people should use the bathroom of their birth-assigned sex? Would you say, “I’m not denying you the right to use a bathroom. Im just saying you are male, so you have to use the male bathroom.”
"Your whole argument against transgender participation in sports is that transgenderism does not exist. I get it." I'm not sure what you get because I do believe that some people are distressed about their gender and feel like they need to live as the opposite sex. I simply believe that the desires of those individuals to be 'affirmed' shouldn't trump hard-fought single sex spaces and sports for women and girls.
"do you also feel that transgender people should use the bathroom of their birth-assigned sex?" First off, their sex is recorded, not assigned. Secondly, yes, noone born male should be using any single sex space for women and girls. Hope that clears that up.
The fact that you are comparing XC times run by different runners on different courses in different climates proves that you are clueless about the sport.
And yes, it is unfair that a biological female is beaten by a biological male pretending to be female when the race is supposed to be for females.
Do you really think Ms Williams would have a remote chance of medaling in the CA SS? A few years back my daughter ran 18:01 in her CA regional meet (sectional meet) and she got 3rd. She was deprived of a gold medal simply because of her zip code. Oh the injustice!!
And your daughter had the advantage of not having to train through a Maine winter.