As far as I can tell, they did not make these accusations to many years after the fact.
Have any facts on this?
The jury were likely men?
Any evidence?
The jury got manipulated into a guilty finding by the prosecutor? Happens all the time.
Note that the initial trial ended in a hung jury.
What are you trying to achieve here? After a month long trial this guy was found guilty by a jury of forcibly raping multiple women. He was sentenced to 30 years to life in prison for his crimes. You have some issue with that? Why? Why here? What are you doing? Is it rape you think should be decriminalized? Are you just trying to create mistrust in the justice system in general? What are you doing?
If Newname is really Unkle, don't waste your time. One of the dumbest people I've ever encountered.
I used to live in the guest house attached to the house of the Masterson family. It had a sauna which was a big part of Scientology's infamous niacin cleansing ritual. They played Wonderwall on full blast and yelled at each other a lot. I got out of there after 4 months.
Calling out the ridiculous comments made by the guy I was replying to.
The overall gist of my comment is that it's scary that a guy is being sent away for 30 years to life based on no evidence other than the words of his accusers.
And the hypocrisy of a system where a guy like Steven Wynn who has been accused of rape by multiple accusers skate free.
I would have thought I have made this more than clear.
Not sure why you are confused
There is no fukking evidence ... simply she said / he said. Just outrageous.
I am trying to figure out if you're really stupid and just incredible naïve.
Either way you have zero understanding of how our justice system works.
Explain it to me.
Why is this actor facing 30 years while Wynn was never arrested or indicted?
You're not really interested in answers.... but just an opportunity whine.
Only the DAs can truly answer that question but the Masterson DA probably found the victims testimony compelling and they(victims) agreed to press charges and testify.
If you are truly outraged the Wynn has not been arrested start and fund a legal support group for victims of sexual assault or just stay here whining and b!tching about how unjust the world is.
No idea as to whether he did this or not. No evidence presented in the article which means, in all likelihood, none presented at trial. Just accusations.
Did these women come forward 20 years ago? Were rape kits performed?
Apparently, there was sufficient evidence presented to the jury to find him guilty on two counts of rape. You were not at the trial. How do you know no evidence was presented?
I listen to a law podcast and one of the hosts reminds the listeners often that what you hear reported and the full testimony in court are often very different.
How does the law get around the law (statute of limitations) to get indictments and convictions?
Dude - I mean really? F-ing listen to yourself here? There doesn't seem like much debate this happened and you are lobbying essentially for this conviction not to happen based on some stupid loophole? Wow, just wow.
Do you wake up every day and ask yourself - "Which loser am I going to defend today?"
btw - testimony is evidence.
Accusations are not evidence.
Testimony from someone other than the accuser would be evidence. There was none
Testimony in court under oath is allowed. It might not meet your definition of "evidence" but it is what is allowed. The defense has a chance to cross examine and poke holes in the testimony.
It’s not evidence but if he’s innocent, why didn’t he take the stand?
Because we have a constitutional right not to do so. The burden is on the state to prove it to a jury and it did in this case.
The reality is that guilty people usually don’t testify. A guy with Masterson’s communication skills, and speaking the truth, would be very compelling.
It sounds like Steve Wynn is not a good guy, but those cases appear those cases were never pursued criminally. You would need to ask the women (several civil suits) and the DA where they occurred why they were not pursued.
Just because one person is not held accountable does not mean that others should not me
I am trying to figure out if you're really stupid and just incredible naïve.
Either way you have zero understanding of how our justice system works.
Explain it to me.
Why is this actor facing 30 years while Wynn was never arrested or indicted?
Because cases are often unique. The evidence provided can differ greatly. A DA will not take a case to trial that they do not feel like they have a great chance to win. (Okay I think some do on occasion, but it is rare as no DA wants an L).
This is an explanation not an excuse. Also it is not like Danny Masterson does not have means or sway either.
Also, so what if one person is not brought to justice, does that mean that no one should be? That seems pretty dangerous.
re we really putting away a man for 30 years for she said he Said???
No, it’s because he insisted on wearing a stupid Covid mask to court to make it seem like he was a conscientious person who cared about the safety of others. The judge hated the hypocrisy so threw the book at him.
There is a kernel of truth to this. I don't believe it influenced the judge, but I think it was a calculated move for him to seem a certain way. Obviously it didn't work.
No, it’s because he insisted on wearing a stupid Covid mask to court to make it seem like he was a conscientious person who cared about the safety of others. The judge hated the hypocrisy so threw the book at him.
There is a kernel of truth to this. I don't believe it influenced the judge, but I think it was a calculated move for him to seem a certain way. Obviously it didn't work.
Actually, I think those are old photos of him in court, this has been going on since 2020 when all of that stuff was required.
Read the whole article. Not one mention of any evidence. Just accusations.
The guy seems like a POS but not one iota of evidence mentioned.
Two things can be true. He very likely is a POS who is guilty. As far as the articles I've seen there is only hearsay about events that happened 2 decades ago and were not reported to police until more than a decade after they originally happened. Not a solid legal case and given the jury deliberated for a week clearly this was not overwhelming.
Also true these are pop culture articles which likely failed to report key facts. It is entirely possible we will get some information later on that is more meaningful.
Someone more legally versed is there a way to get past the statue of limitations if you can demonstrate some witness intimidation conspiracy?
seems crazy excessive to sentence him to 30+ years when it's based on flimsy testimony from 2 women, from 20 years ago.. neither of whom claimed they were raped until a decade+ after the alleged incident.
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