Ugandan Janet Chemusto - part of Joshua Cheptegei's camp - busted

I would a 3rd country to that mix.

ETHIOPIA!

It is inconceivable that Ethiopia and Kenya fight for the medals in practically every distance race, the Kenyans are busted for doping while the Ethiopians are not.

Something is amiss.

Be Careful!
First we cannot eat burritos anymore and now...
Now Ugali is also contaminated with that whateversterone
What we're going to eat now? Insects? Water and air?

It is surprising when a Ugandan gets nabbed. It is surprising when an Ethiopian gets nabbed. It is surprising when an Eritrean gets nabbed. It is not surprising when a Kenyan gets nabbed.

Why is that?

The fact that it's mostly lower-tier Kenyans getting busted and that Kenyan dominance hasn't declined despite intensified testing proves that Ethiopia can succeed clean, which I believe they are.

Kenya has had some lean years medalwise in the past. The 2012 Olympics, for example, wasn't successful. This in the era where Coevett claims there was an all-out free-for-all. Personally, I believe doping is a fairly recent problem in Kenya and when the dust settles, we'll still be competitive.

Because the AIU has openly stated it has concentrated a quarter of its resources on one country, which just happens to have the deepest running pool (thousands) of elite runners. Put all your cops in one neighbourhood, don't be surprised if you catch more criminals there.

It hasn't occurred to you why there are more cops in that "neighbourhood".

You know the worth of this message board when management tries to justify its wrongdoing. Terrifying.

You really are vile. Don’t make excuses for cheats. Your big two are protected species

Linking this to the Singapore runner Soh is just lame. You’re probably a runner who never broke 18min for 5k thinking that everyone faster than you is doping. From Soh’s strava I think he should actually be even faster at the marathon if he didn’t jump around doing so many events.

Not at all.

What I am seriously suggesting is not that the AIU should have ignored the presence of the low ng/ml amount of ingested nandrolone, but should have treated it as an ATF as foreseen in the WADA TD on nandrolone -- the same TD where WADA calls 5.2-5.8 "in the low ng/ml range" that is "usual" after non-castrated boar "edible parts" consumption.

As I said, I agree with the CAS minority, that the WADA lab, the AIU and their experts, and the CAS majority got this wrong.

Much is made from the fans about the low threshold of 2 ng/ml, but for women, this low threshold has always been controversial since its introduction, and in any case, is a reporting threshold, not an AAF threshold. In IOC testing in the 1998 Nagano Olympics, out of 621 tests, only 5 athletes violated the testing threshold -- all 5 were women.

Don't be confused by what the evidence says. There is only evidence of nandrolone presence this one time in December -- in a period of time when she did not set any American records. Any suggestion of more than one time, lacks evidence.

Remind me of what? A WADA codified presumption of intent? She received the 4-year ban based on a presumption, and not based on any established fact.

I implied nothing more than what Tygart says himself -- Tygart is strongly against the WADA rule change to "guilty until proven innocent", because the rules themselves, by default presumption, treat athletes who have done nothing wrong as intentional cheats.

Tygart did say in an interview that, in his opinion, he thought that accidental ingestion from supplements was more likely. The result of the CAS ruling was that the source of the nandrolone was not identified on a balance of probability. This is true also for Tygart, just as it is true for the AIU and their experts, the CAS, and for Houlihan.

The "established fact" is she tested positive for a banned substance without legitimate excuse and was deemed to have intentionally doped according to the balance of probabilities. Only doping deniers can't accept that.

Oh no, any allegation of PED is by default most serious and safe from all lameness or vengefulness. People call out PED due to legitimate observation of unusual behavior not of lameness. Wejo and Rojo says the same you can ask them here. If people on here are ringing alarm bells at Joshua Cheptegei and Eliud Kipchoge for harboring runners who have failed drugs tests in their training camps, well then everybody would set off an earthquake at Jordan Chipangama living under one roof with Soh Rui Yong. That's just how it is........so stop detracting. I don't think Eliud Kipchoge is clean, at least 90 percent of the messageboarders here wouldn't think he is clean too, why would he be? He keeps running world records non-stop with no rests or breaks, doesn't seem to age when guys his age like Bekele were long gone and burned out.

And wait, Eliud Kipchoge and Soh Rui Yong are good friends too, kinda fated that these 2 dudes have strong doping history in their professional career and their friendship highly probably a function of their doping collaboration too....

I kinda agree, there was not much reliable testing done during the COVID era what with lockdowns and restrictions stuff. Not that the tests were any reliable proof of an athlete's purity from PEDs anyway. But athletes are not stupid they would surely take advantage of the restrictions and dope with ease...

A long-winded way of conceding "intent" is not "established fact". Thanks.

There is a very interesting statistic from AIU regarding the illegal substance Kenyan athletes (of every level) used till 2021. This statistic includes 148 tests, with the following results :

50 positive (4 in OOC + 46 IC) for NANDROLONE

18 positive (all IC) for CORTICOSTEROIDS

15 positive (7 in OOC + 8 IC) for EPO

11 positive (all IC) for CLENBUTEROL

5 positive (2 in OOC + 3 IC) for FUROSEMIDE

4 positive (all IC) for BETAMETHASONE

4 positive (1 in OOC + 3 IC) for SALBUTAMOL

4 positive (all IC) for TRIAMCINOLONE ACETONIDE

3 positive (2 in OOC + 1 IC) for BOLDENONE

3 positive (all IC) for EXOGENOUS STEROIDS

3 positive (all IC) for HIGENAMINE

2 positive (1 in OOC + 1 IC) for TIBOLONE

2 positive (2 in OOC) for CLOMIPHENE

2 positive (1 in OOC + 1 IC) for TAMAXIFEN

2 positive (all IC) for TERBUTALINE

2 positive (all IC) for THC

1 positive (OOC) for CATHINE

1 positive (OOC) for EPHEDRINE

1 positive (OOC) for METENOLONE

1 positive (OOC) for T/E Ratic>4

1 positive (IC) for DEXAMETHASONE

1 positive (IC) for GHS

1 positive (IC) for HYDROXYETHYL STARCH

1 positive (IC) for METENOLONE

1 positive (IC) for METHYLEPHEDRINE

1 positive (IC) for METHYLHEXANEAMINE

1 positive (IC) for OXANDROLONE

1 positive (IC) for OSYCODONE

1 positive (IC) for TESTOSTERONE

1 positive (IC) for TRENBOLONE

1 positive (IC) for TAMPERING

There are so many substances that nobody knows, that the only logic explanation is they are components of normal drugs used for small sicknesses (flu, cough, skin creams, poisonus stings, etc...), because I don't think there si some doctor/coach/manager that can suggest to take those substances for improving the performances.

Different the case for Nandrolone, the most used drug, and Corticosteroids, while the use of EPO at thye moment decreases also in athletes who want to dope for enhancing their performances.

Of course, we can't speak of some doping program organized by AK, looking at the casuality of the illegal drugs and at the lack of a mediacl strategy.

And compare with Ethiopia where there is far more control of athletes by the federation/coaches. The only busts for Ethiopians seem to be very obvious PEDs (Testosterone, EPO) by fringe athletes. Not like Kenya where going rogue could mean random PEDs/things only banned on race day.

It isn't a term used in isolation but in the context of the case and the evidence before the Court. But you aren't bright enough to understand that. On that basis, the Court decided she was a doper - which is what a person is who has been deemed to have intentionally doped who cannot show otherwise - a fact the unintelligent, such as yourself, cannot accept.

Courts regularly make decisions on civil matters based on the balance of probabilities, as the Court did in this case, and only someone who has no idea about the legal process says such a decision isn't based on "established fact". It cannot come to a decision except on the facts before it. You have no understanding of how this process works, hence you make a fool of yourself on thread after thread.

You are so immature, and so insecure.