It isn't complicated at a normal honest school. But, 5 years of eligibility spread out over 10 years of coming and going and redshirt this redshirt that, keeping track of a few thousand athletes over all the sports not knowing who is where when and who is on scholarship at any given time. Nightmare for anyone trying to be honest, probably not so bad for the school compliance officer who takes his marching orders from the bishop.
The only excuses I've seen are about how it is completely fair for 22 and 23 year old freshmen to compete against 17 and 18 year olds.
Do the missions after college or lose those years. Solution for everybody.
2 yrs = 4 to 6 yr advantage? No wonder you think compliance tracking would be like nuclear engineering.
2 years mission, one year redshirt, one year medical redshirt, one year older coming out of high school. Yep, five year advantage. Keeping track of all their shenanigans would be harder than getting a byu engineering degree.
This post is shameful on multiple levels but also indicates that the majority of supposed age complaints are just thinly or not so thinly veiled hostility and bigotry toward the LDS faith. Note how quick the “ageists” all agreed with it.
Oh, so now BYU’s not a normal, honest school, haha.
Never change age complainers.
Normal schools don't have an entire team 5 years older than average. Honest schools don't either. Get rid of the Mission exemptions and nobody will have anything to complain about.
This post is shameful on multiple levels but also indicates that the majority of supposed age complaints are just thinly or not so thinly veiled hostility and bigotry toward the LDS faith. Note how quick the “ageists” all agreed with it.
Nobody complains when an LDS kid goes to any other school. The overaging is rampant at BYU. Nothing to do with faith. What is shameful is the institutional support, and the support from the posters on this site, given to 25 year olds competing against 18 year olds.
We get some version of this thread every year. Maybe we need to remind everyone that this is COLLEGE sports, not AGE GROUP running. Do you really think BYU would be finishing 9th at NCAA's every year if their guys didn't go on missions? Clinger, Mantz, Troutner, the Thompson twins, were all blue chip recruits out of high school. So were Garnica, Carney, McMillan, Heslington, Young, etc..
Don't agree that BYU is an easy school. Top schools abandoned accounting years ago. BYU has stepped into the breach, and has an excellent and rigorous accounting program. I have never heard anyone describe it as easy. And its employment outcomes are very good - they must have some rigor.
There are religious bigots here and there are high school fans who think people get better eternally. I guess 35 year olds would be even better than 25. I wish the NCAA would eliminate all of the rules regarding redshirt amd covid and injuries and merely allow 4 years of eligibility regardless of age or how many years someone has been in college.
The double standards defy all logic, and the intolerance is beyond nauseating.
The bigotry toward anyone who's not a Mormon is absurd.
All college athletes should have the same opportunity to take a 2 year sabbatical for whatever reason and to not have it effect their eligibility for athletics.
The fact that only Mormons are getting that special treatment, and no one else, is not right.
The double standards defy all logic, and the intolerance is beyond nauseating.
The bigotry toward anyone who's not a Mormon is absurd.
All college athletes should have the same opportunity to take a 2 year sabbatical for whatever reason and to not have it effect their eligibility for athletics.
The fact that only Mormons are getting that special treatment, and no one else, is not right.
Look up the rules. Other faiths can do the same thing!
Oh, so now BYU’s not a normal, honest school, haha.
Never change age complainers.
Normal schools don't have an entire team 5 years older than average. Honest schools don't either. Get rid of the Mission exemptions and nobody will have anything to complain about.
Look up the rules. Other faiths can do the same thing!
See. That's bigotry that you stated right there.
What about all the people who have "faith" in other ways, not related to religion, especially not related to the Mormon religion.
And why would other "faiths" want to go on Mormon missions. That wouldn't make any sense. The whole thing is just a bogus bigoted fiasco to gain 2 more years for themselves.
What about all the people who have "faith" in other ways, not related to religion, especially not related to the Mormon religion.
And why would other "faiths" want to go on Mormon missions. That wouldn't make any sense. The whole thing is just a bogus bigoted fiasco to gain 2 more years for themselves.
Other faiths would go on religious missions to promote their faith, not the LDS faith. Are you that dense?
The best solution would be to either give everyone 2 more years to use their eligibility, or else to not let anyone have the two more years.
But picking favorites due to specific reasons that in most cases others can't take advantage of is not fair.
And indeed, that is the current rule. Once you start your elegibility tolling, you can take 2 years that are not counted. Don't have to preach the Word of God. Certainly don't have to preach LDS faith.
It is comical that the argument stating 'everyone should be allowed to do the same thing' is ever made given that the poster's wish IS actually the case. But the funniest part of this is that the rule in question is rarely used by LDS runners at BYU.
There are a few who have run a year or more, disappeared for 2 years, then resurfaced and used up whatever elegibility was left. I think Clinger did this. I can't name another (and I may even be off about that guy). Much more common is to simply show up and use all elegibility in one 5-year period without taking advantage of the rule in question (which again, is available to all). In fact, Ward and Mantz did it in 4 years and didn't even take advantage of the redshirt rule (which is commonly used by non-LDS runner at non -BYU schools).
Show us a rule that applies only to LDS runners at BYU. We're waiting.....
You think runners will take 2 years off of school after freshman year and then return for 3 more years to finish their degree and compete? What will they do for those 2 years?
Look up the rules. Other faiths can do the same thing!
See. That's bigotry that you stated right there.
What about all the people who have "faith" in other ways, not related to religion, especially not related to the Mormon religion.
And why would other "faiths" want to go on Mormon missions. That wouldn't make any sense. The whole thing is just a bogus bigoted fiasco to gain 2 more years for themselves.
I didn't say other faiths should go preach the "Mormon" religion. They can go preach their own religion, or join the military, or delay starting school for two years, or join the peace corp, etc.. I said nothing that was bigoted. Anyone is eligible for deferments if you do one of those things. No one receives preferential treatment. I guarantee you no one gives up two years of their life at their own expense by serving a mission to try to gain an advantage in athletics.