and that’s why people microdose and when their metabolism changes even slightly or the compound formula isn’t quite the same as before they pop a positive test
Exactly. Some screw up when they continue microdosing and test dodging, others do not, and some err on the safe side and decrease their dosages (like her likely doping colleague cough cough).
Go through the likely doping list leaked in 2017 and you easily find example for all three groups. (e.g. Kiprop - Rupp - Jager).
There is zero reason to believe that any top runner is clean. What are they supposed to do given the prevalence of doping in the sport. As in cycling, it is dope of go home.
Two big problems with using increased testing as proof she was doping prior to when she tested positive:
1) She was being tested so often and yet tested negative each time. What’s more believable: an athlete who runs a great time after only being tested once or twice a year, or an athlete running a great time after being tested more than 20 times the previous year?
2) Why would she dope if she knew she was being tested so often? That would be like a kid cheating on a test while they know the teacher is watching them.
On the other side, what is more believable?
1) An athlete starts doping, therefore records suspicious values and gets target tested, and screws up two later later.
2) An athlete coincidentally records suspicious values while clean, gets target tested, starts doping, and screws up one year later.
I give Alicia benefit of the doubt. She ran for Wisconsin and won D1 titles. That school isn't known for a good woman's program, so the fact that she was able to accomplish that shows she is really an outlier in talent. It makes sense that she dramatically improved in her early/mid twenties as a pro. Shelby was different. It took her years at ASU and as a pro to randomly pop off with crazy times.
You are correct. I agree with you that Tuohy has been the top female in the NCAA which makes it guaranteed that she is doping. Since all high level runners dope, I don't understand why you attack Valby and Wiley and others.
I give Alicia benefit of the doubt. She ran for Wisconsin and won D1 titles. That school isn't known for a good woman's program, so the fact that she was able to accomplish that shows she is really an outlier in talent. It makes sense that she dramatically improved in her early/mid twenties as a pro. Shelby was different. It took her years at ASU and as a pro to randomly pop off with crazy times.
FALSE! Both of them only won 1 NCAA title, and they both won as juniors. Shelby ran fast times in college and in her first year as a pro. Take your lies somewhere else.
I actually agree that Shelby is probably more talented than Monson, but there are plenty of reasons why Monson could've run faster that have nothing to do with doping:
-Monson had superspikes, Shelby didn't
-Monson essentially had the best possible pacemakers today, chasing a group of four women running right at 14:20 pace. Shelby had Schweizer for company in her 14:23 race but she still had to do a lot of the work herself.
-If Shelby didn't get banned, she likely would've lowered the record further in the past two years.
Neither you nor I have any idea if Monson is clean, and either way it isn't evidence for or against Shelby.
You know why Monson is clean and is NOT a cheater ? She hasn't tested positive.
You know why Shelby is dirty and IS a cheater ? She tested positive.
And Astro is the doping expert amd he said every top runner is doping. So if a 15 minute Tuohy is doping, Monson had to be. That or a clean Monson is better than a doped Tuohy. Astro made the claim.
We know why the 800m has declined - Amos was busted and testing tightened up in Kenya. The only other guy to break 1:43 was Donovan Brazier, and he soon lost his NOP magic.
if you “actually know what happened” then why don’t you go ahead and enlighten us?
Instead of taking her specific supplement, she took someone else’s, who is larger than her, thus triggering a positive test since it went above the legal threshold. Who that person is, you can figure out yourself…
I've heard this too from an alumni who runs professionally and trains with someone who would know. My question is this: if this explanation has been corroborated and insiders know it, why does no one talk about it and why is anonymity protected.
The people who are performing mental gymnastics are the ones who think a clean Monson can be faster than a doped Shelby.
None of us can know that Monson is clean or doping. We do however know that Shelby doped at least once in her career. The rest is just speculation. Performances alone aren't an indication of doping.
Instead of taking her specific supplement, she took someone else’s, who is larger than her, thus triggering a positive test since it went above the legal threshold. Who that person is, you can figure out yourself…
I've heard this too from an alumni who runs professionally and trains with someone who would know. My question is this: if this explanation has been corroborated and insiders know it, why does no one talk about it and why is anonymity protected.
That doesn't quite work because she was up to 5.8/2.0 = 2.9 times the legal limit. There's no runner with 3 times her weight.
What might have worked is that she took her "supplement", and then later in the evening - distracted by her company - took his in addition.
To clarify, this is what i heard. Its been a few years so cut me some slack on the exact specifics. I heard that shelby used a cream/gel (idk which) for an injury (i want to say achilles) that wasn't hers without knowing that the gel/cream had extra "stuff" in it. This then might align with what you are saying re "double dosing" if she was already intentionally micro dosing.
I actually agree that Shelby is probably more talented than Monson, but there are plenty of reasons why Monson could've run faster that have nothing to do with doping:
-Monson had superspikes, Shelby didn't
-Monson essentially had the best possible pacemakers today, chasing a group of four women running right at 14:20 pace. Shelby had Schweizer for company in her 14:23 race but she still had to do a lot of the work herself.
-If Shelby didn't get banned, she likely would've lowered the record further in the past two years.
Neither you nor I have any idea if Monson is clean, and either way it isn't evidence for or against Shelby.
You know why Monson is clean and is NOT a cheater ? She hasn't tested positive.
You know why Shelby is dirty and IS a cheater ? She tested positive.
Not rocket science people!
Your logic is the same as saying: If a person never is arrested and convicted of Drunk & Disorderly Conduct, said person never drank. The majority of drinkers never are arrested. Mostly likely, the majority of p.e.d. users never test positive.
Instead of taking her specific supplement, she took someone else’s, who is larger than her, thus triggering a positive test since it went above the legal threshold. Who that person is, you can figure out yourself…
Except she clearly stated she didn't take any supplements. If she did, then they easily could've tested the supplements and she wouldn't have to have made up the burrito defense. It's not as if you can take Deca legally as long as it's within the limits. It's a banned substance period. Honestly it's all been settled. There's no conspiracy and no Rube Goldberg chain of events that magically injected her with Deca. She got complacent with micro-dosing and got popped in an early morning test outside her testing window
Maybe you think she's a good person and she's been an inspiration to you. That's fine, she can keep being that, but it's fairly clear that she use a banned steroid and got caught. That part is no longer up for debate.
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