What WRs could Jakob *not* threaten between 1500-10km?

unbelief wrote:

Primate1 wrote:

Slow down with this. He has one 1500m global championship and one 5k global championship and zero WRs in any of those events. He has the potential to amass a fantastic record, but he is not already there.

I think Komen was the previous 15-5k greatest. could argue El G might have been had he run 3-5k more often especially with that 1500 and 2k record and considering his only real crack at the 3k WR was a s show.

But definitely looks Jakob is already there after this 2-mile and these recent 1500s.

3:27/7:54/sub 12:40 should just about do it. If he somehow breaks that 2k even more evidence, but he might be able to run under 4:44 at this point. After WC might be a little too heavy a lift.

Now we are just waiting on the 5k race.

Let’s hope Budapest is a hot race in unseasonably cool conditions.

Temp__Account wrote:

surgeical wrote:

You have the wrong idea sir, I am 'fans' of both of them. However, I just don't think ANYONE is capable of 3:24, not Jakob either. Do you really think it is realistic for him to do 1:48.8 at 800 meters and keep going for another 700 meters? Come on now.

The guy has two WR this year and ranked 8 overall athletics and you talk of overrating?

How many LRC threads reserved to Jakob compared to Girma?

50 thread vs 1

Wake up from your sleep.

Another example that just showed:

The guy Laros just run 1:44:78 and it's already an ebulitions of threads:

This guy is a prodigy

This guy is unique

Olympic champion 2032

and the Ethiopian guy he beat has the same age and with better PB: 1.44.36

and is U20 WC in the 800m

See that? keep your eyes on it.

You can be sure every time I see these kind of threads I will downvote them.

And its a fair game.

objectiveobserver wrote:

Do you have problems with the memory too?

You wrote this the 21st of March this year:

"
As much as I'd like for Ingebrigtsen to be the #1 Mid Distance Runner
in the world. I just don't see it happening. He'll likely peak by 2028
Olympics and Based on how he has ran since 2020, It could be something
in the realm of:
1500m (3:27.50-90) Current: 3:28.32
Mile
(3:45.90-Current PB) Current: 3:46.46 — He needed a Pacelight +
Supershoes to barely be below the European Record of Cram in Oslo. Don't
see a race that'll give him better conditions and exact pacing. Though,
if he has yet to reach his peak, I can definitely see him going under
3:46. But, I'd be a betting man to say he'd likely never go under 3:45.
Given what Jakob needed to hit 3:46 mid. It's unlikely he'd compete with
El G, Noah Ngeny, or Noureddine Morceli. Plus, for someone like Jakob
to have a 1% Increase in PB at his age and level of fitness would be
doping levels of Insanity. His 1500m PB under the greatest momentum at
the Olympic Finals only transitions to 3:43.51 *If he held it an extra
109.344m*. At age 23, Hicham DID have a similar 1500 PB to Jakob at
3:28.91 BUT, Hicham was already a 3:44 Miler. So his strength was
Certainly better.
2000m (4:50.01 — Unlikely to PB on a rare event)
3000m
(7:25.60 - 7:26.50) — He's a strong runner but I definitely don't see
him going below 7:25. Given his focus on the 1500m will be his downfall.
He does have Sub-7:25 potential if he smartly shifts from the 1500.
Two
Miles (8:03-8:05) — Hitting a Sub-8 just isn't in Jakob's capacity. Guy
barely dipped below 4:00/mile pace for 3K let alone hold it another
200m
5000m (12:40-12:45) — IF he plays it smart and starts
focusing on the 5K like Komen did around the same time he was in his
1500 prime. He definitely could go below 12:40. But, I feel like Yared
Nuguse's rise and Getting upset by Jake Wightman at World's is certainly
getting to Jakob. So he'll most likely be laser focused on the 1500
especially with World's and Olympics in the next Two years.
10,000m
(Sub 27:10) — For some reason It's pretty rare for many Sub 3:30
1500/13:00 5K runners to actually perform well at the 10K level. Only
exception was Mo Farah. But beyond him — Komen (27:38), Lagat (27:47),
and a couple others. ***Granted, I do believe Gebrselassie in 1998
(3:31.76 Indoor 1500) would've been a Sub-3:30 guy but, we never got to
see it.
and Given The usual patterns of Distance greats, I don't
see Jakob becoming a road runner or Marathoner. Atleast not while he's
in his 20s by his 30s he'd probably fade and be like 1:00-1:02 Half
Marathon / Sub-2:10 Marathoner and Just call it quits. Huge speculation
but many Greats rarely care for the Marathon."

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Do you understand why it is difficult to see you as a serious poster?

By the way:

I have no idea about what you wrote about Fisher.

I saw your above post when I recently revisited that thread and I noticed your naughty posts about K. Bekele and then saw your predictions on this thread.

I think you understand that I don´t love your posts but I find it interesting that some people write non sense posts with so much confidence.

Impala31 wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

I'm not sure where the optimism for the 10000m comes from - we have no crystal ball on that distance for him other than his XC.

Here is where my optimism comes from for the 10000 :

Jakob has been running 120miles a week for years now.

He is a 7:20 3000 runner.

He has hugely dominated euro XC. You can say the competition is quite weak there. Compared to the World XC, i can't disagree BUT several things : XC should put him as a disavantage because weight is a handicap in mud/hills. A guy like Gressier (13:08/27:20, which could seems unimpressive in this discussion, but wait) is better at XC than track (back to back to back euro u23 champ), while Jakob is supposedly worse, and Gressier track PRs are already worst than his real level because ran in poor conditions (see monaco 5k upcoming). Jakob beat gressier by 19sec making it look like a jog and claimed he didn't even do one specific XC session.

Last but not least : despite focusing on the 1500m, he is better at the 3000. This, along with his relatively weak 800 ability, suggest that rather than a 1500-5000 guy, he is more of a slow twich guy who is just trying to lower as much as possible his 1500 PR when young, but who will eventually shine even more in longer distance.

The rural runner wrote:

est un autre wrote:

I thought the same as you -that he had a great day in Silesia- but then I read this report that undermines what you are saying about faster / closer to his max capacity (in the first 3 laps of the race)…

Link:www.tv2.no/mening_og_analyse/derfor-st...

Thanks for the web link est un tautre. Bislett was just as fast for the first three laps as Silesia, and still he said “he went early in to the lactate”. I just translated the article:

“The sun is setting over the magnificent Slaski Stadium in Chorzow. Jakob Ingebrigtsen has finished jogging down. He wrings off the top of his running jersey before taking a few last drags across the artificial grass on the warm-up track. He looks up in the air, and sighs lightly. - I felt better at Bislett, that is, he says. It is less than an hour since he has run 3.27.14 in 1500 metres. It is a personal record and a European record. And that makes him the fourth fastest of all time at the iconic middle distance. Down to the world record, it is "only" 1.14 seconds. And when Ingebrigtsen now stands and says that he felt better when he ran on his home track in June, it is like music to the ears of those who believe that the epic record of Hicham El Geurrouj is soon to fall.

The number crunchers are already starting to see what is needed. Statistics and results guru, Anders Huun Monsen, yesterday published a comparison between the passing times of the two races on his Twitter account. And with Ingebrigtsen's statement that he felt better at Bislett, the figures become extra interesting to look at.

Bislett (Oslo):

400m: 55.7

800m: 1.51.9

1100m: 2.33.0

1200m: 2.46.9

1500m: 3.27.95

Silesia (Poland):

400m: 55.8

800 m: 1.51.6

1100m: 2.33.1

1200m: 2.46.9

1500m: 3.27.14

And if you break down these numbers, you will see that the opening in the two races are almost identical. The big difference is that the last 300 meters for Ingebrigtsen in Poland were markedly better than in Oslo. And that on a day he himself describes as a little heavier.

For comparison, El Guerrouj passed the following times in his record run:

400m: 55.0

800 m: 1.50.7

1100m: 2.32.7

1200m: 2.46.3

And with a tremendous finish in the last 300 in 39.66 seconds, the Moroccan clocked in at 3.26 blank.

The record from 1998 has remained as one of the impossible records to break. The biggest difference between El Geurrouj and Ingebrigtsen is the speed in the first 400. There, El Guerrouj takes 0.8 seconds on the Norwegian. Up to 1200 meters the speed is roughly the same. While Ingebrigtsen loses about 0.5 seconds to the world record holder in the last 300 meters. And this is where the key to breaking the record lies. A little faster at the start and end, and you're there.”

The rural runner wrote:

est un autre wrote:

I thought the same as you -that he had a great day in Silesia- but then I read this report that undermines what you are saying about faster / closer to his max capacity (in the first 3 laps of the race)…

Link:www.tv2.no/mening_og_analyse/derfor-st...

Thanks for the web link est un tautre. Bislett was just as fast for the first three laps as Silesia, and still he said “he went early in to the lactate”. I just translated the article:

“The sun is setting over the magnificent Slaski Stadium in Chorzow. Jakob Ingebrigtsen has finished jogging down. He wrings off the top of his running jersey before taking a few last drags across the artificial grass on the warm-up track. He looks up in the air, and sighs lightly. - I felt better at Bislett, that is, he says. It is less than an hour since he has run 3.27.14 in 1500 metres. It is a personal record and a European record. And that makes him the fourth fastest of all time at the iconic middle distance. Down to the world record, it is "only" 1.14 seconds. And when Ingebrigtsen now stands and says that he felt better when he ran on his home track in June, it is like music to the ears of those who believe that the epic record of Hicham El Geurrouj is soon to fall.

The number crunchers are already starting to see what is needed. Statistics and results guru, Anders Huun Monsen, yesterday published a comparison between the passing times of the two races on his Twitter account. And with Ingebrigtsen's statement that he felt better at Bislett, the figures become extra interesting to look at.

Bislett (Oslo):

400m: 55.7

800m: 1.51.9

1100m: 2.33.0

1200m: 2.46.9

1500m: 3.27.95

Silesia (Poland):

400m: 55.8

800 m: 1.51.6

1100m: 2.33.1

1200m: 2.46.9

1500m: 3.27.14

And if you break down these numbers, you will see that the opening in the two races are almost identical. The big difference is that the last 300 meters for Ingebrigtsen in Poland were markedly better than in Oslo. And that on a day he himself describes as a little heavier.

For comparison, El Guerrouj passed the following times in his record run:

400m: 55.0

800 m: 1.50.7

1100m: 2.32.7

1200m: 2.46.3

And with a tremendous finish in the last 300 in 39.66 seconds, the Moroccan clocked in at 3.26 blank.

The record from 1998 has remained as one of the impossible records to break. The biggest difference between El Geurrouj and Ingebrigtsen is the speed in the first 400. There, El Guerrouj takes 0.8 seconds on the Norwegian. Up to 1200 meters the speed is roughly the same. While Ingebrigtsen loses about 0.5 seconds to the world record holder in the last 300 meters. And this is where the key to breaking the record lies. A little faster at the start and end, and you're there.”