Mu doesn't want to make the final in the 1500. She's only going to USA's because she has to run there in order to use her 800 free entrance to the World Championships. If USATF didn't force her to be there, she wouldn't go.
The challenge has been posed to prove such a rule exists for selection to 2023 Worlds.
There is no rule that says a 2022 world champion has to run at USAs to compete in the event they are champion of. Mu could walk into Budapest and run the 800 if she wanted to. My understanding is that they want her eligible for the relay pool, which does require that she "compete" at USAs. The rules don't state that she has to run a specific event (100/400) to be eligible for those relays, just that one must "compete in the selection event." This is why I referred to in in my previous post as her "compete" obligation.
No one here knows what they are talking about, they just make sh!t up. No one other than me that is.
The challenge has been posed to prove such a rule exists for selection to 2023 Worlds.
There is no rule that says a 2022 world champion has to run at USAs to compete in the event they are champion of. Mu could walk into Budapest and run the 800 if she wanted to.
No, she couldn't. Only athletes that USATF say are on the team are on the team. USATF makes that determination, not Mu, not Kersee, not World Athletics.
The challenge has been posed to prove such a rule exists for selection to 2023 Worlds.
There is no rule that says a 2022 world champion has to run at USAs to compete in the event they are champion of. Mu could walk into Budapest and run the 800 if she wanted to. My understanding is that they want her eligible for the relay pool, which does require that she "compete" at USAs. The rules don't state that she has to run a specific event (100/400) to be eligible for those relays, just that one must "compete in the selection event." This is why I referred to in in my previous post as her "compete" obligation.
No one here knows what they are talking about, they just make sh!t up. No one other than me that is.
Thank you for the comment but, as applied to relays, where are you quoting from?
There is a paragraph devoted to relays on page 4 of the 2023 selection procedures that I linked above. I don't find any mention there of a requirement to compete at USATF champs.
Automatic qualification, as listed in this section, shall not abrograte any entry requirements other than the qualifying requirements for a championships. Any athlete who attains any of the following shall be afforded automatic qualification into a USA Indoor, Outdoor, Race Walking, or Marathon Championships or USA Olympic Team Selection in the same event in which the performance was attained:
1. Track and Field -
(a) During the current or four previous calendar years, earned an individual medal in track and field in an Olympic Games or in a World Athletics World Indoor or Outdoor Championship."
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Respectfully, this rule cited here does not apply to this situation...
So this rule does not allow Mu to enter the 1500 at USAs officially because she's "world champ" in the 800.
That is exactly why FastTuohy posted it, you are agreeing with the thing you think you are disagreeing with. There is only one misguided moran on this thread that keeps saying Mu is afforded some special privilege to run the 1500 because she is a world champion. There is no such rule. That misguided individual has spent all night upvoting their own nonsense replies and downvoting others because they literally have no life. It's probably the same mod that deleted all the other comments that violated no rules other than to sensibly and publicly disagree with their ignorance on the subject, exposing them to be the clown that they are.
The relevant rule would appear to be Rule 10-3 on p 18 of the same booklet, which states: 3. In the USA Track and Field Championships: (a) All entered contestants shall have met the qualifying requirements / meet entry guidelines adopted by the respective sport committee, or by the properly authorized subcommittee thereof or shall be approved by a special appeal subcommittee appointed by the Chairs of the respective sport committees; (b) Qualifying requirements / entry guidelines shall be published in the entry material; (c) In appointing the appeal subcommittee every effort shall be made to include representation from athlete, coach, and sport committees. Petitions to the appeal subcommittee shall be presented in writing, including electronic communication, without the possibility of further appeal beyond the appeal subcommittee. Petitions and decisions shall be posted at the subcommittee work-site.
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Oh -- and the deadline for entries was 6/27 at noon Pacific Daylight time which has now passed. Mu has not submitted an entry request in either the 800 or 400.
There is no rule that says a 2022 world champion has to run at USAs to compete in the event they are champion of. Mu could walk into Budapest and run the 800 if she wanted to. My understanding is that they want her eligible for the relay pool, which does require that she "compete" at USAs. The rules don't state that she has to run a specific event (100/400) to be eligible for those relays, just that one must "compete in the selection event." This is why I referred to in in my previous post as her "compete" obligation.
No one here knows what they are talking about, they just make sh!t up. No one other than me that is.
Thank you for the comment but, as applied to relays, where are you quoting from?
There is a paragraph devoted to relays on page 4 of the 2023 selection procedures that I linked above. I don't find any mention there of a requirement to compete at USATF champs.
It's on the very page you posted. It's always been that way and why athletes in the past have only run the first round of sprints.
Summary:
No requirement for her to run at USAs to run the 800 in Hungary
She must "compete" at the selection event (USAs) to be eligible for 4x4
There is no rule that says a 2022 world champion has to run at USAs to compete in the event they are champion of. Mu could walk into Budapest and run the 800 if she wanted to.
No, she couldn't. Only athletes that USATF say are on the team are on the team. USATF makes that determination, not Mu, not Kersee, not World Athletics.
She has already met the requirements to line up for the 800 in Budapest, sh,e doesn't have to run at USAs. You absolutely have no idea what you are talking about. Yes USATF has to formally put her on the team, but she's already earned that right and has to do NOTHING else. She doesn't need a qualifying time... nothing! She MUST COMPETE at USAs (that being the selection event for worlds) if she intends to run the 4x4.
These are the facts, you may not like them or even know what a fact is, but that is your problem and not mine. Deal with it!
Oh -- and the deadline for entries was 6/27 at noon Pacific Daylight time which has now passed. Mu has not submitted an entry request in either the 800 or 400.
The deadline is 11:59PM PDT, which is still more than 11 hours from now.
Apparently people here not only cannot read but also cannot tell time.
Thank you for the comment but, as applied to relays, where are you quoting from?
There is a paragraph devoted to relays on page 4 of the 2023 selection procedures that I linked above. I don't find any mention there of a requirement to compete at USATF champs.
It's on the very page you posted. It's always been that way and why athletes in the past have only run the first round of sprints.
Summary:
No requirement for her to run at USAs to run the 800 in Hungary
She must "compete" at the selection event (USAs) to be eligible for 4x4
It would be STUPID for her to run the 1500
You're welcome.
Thanks again. I do doubt whether Mu has much interest in the 4x4, given the very tight schedule, which prevented her doubling at Eugene '22. And the coaches legitimately might not want to risk it even if she was willing.
SML seems legitimately interested in running the flat 400m. If for any reason she did not show at champs and wanted to run the 4x4, I suspect a finding of "exceptional circumstances" could very well be made to allow her to do so.
Am I missing something here? Athing's 4:16.06 is from 2021.
All qualifying performances for the Championships must be attained during the following time periods:10,000 meters, 20km Race Walk, & Combined Events: Monday, January 31, 2022 – Sunday, June 25, 2023 All other events: Thursday, June 23, 2022 – Sunday, June 25, 2023
There are now 38 people on the list. All 37 others from what I can tell submitted marks from this year, inside the qualifying window.
Oh -- and the deadline for entries was 6/27 at noon Pacific Daylight time which has now passed. Mu has not submitted an entry request in either the 800 or 400.
The deadline is 11:59PM PDT, which is still more than 11 hours from now.
Apparently people here not only cannot read but also cannot tell time.
Mea culpa. I had focused on making sure I had the "PDT" right -- always get mixed up between daylight and standard time.
Given that she outperformed expectations in New York,
How exactly did she outperform expectations? The only positive from her run was that she seemingly blew the field away by closing her last 200 in 28.6. However, as LRC rightfully points out in their front page article, Keely averaged 28.9 for all 4, 200s of her opener. Closing a 28.6 off a slow pace is one thing, doing so after 600 meters at Keely's pace is something entirely different. Mu's opener was "fine", but I would not say she outperformed anyone's expectations, I believe she massively underperformed and needs to step her game up.
She certainly didn’t underperform. How can you underperform in a race that you ran to win, not for time?
Am I missing something here? Athing's 4:16.06 is from 2021.
All qualifying performances for the Championships must be attained during the following time periods:10,000 meters, 20km Race Walk, & Combined Events: Monday, January 31, 2022 – Sunday, June 25, 2023 All other events: Thursday, June 23, 2022 – Sunday, June 25, 2023
There are now 38 people on the list. All 37 others from what I can tell submitted marks from this year, inside the qualifying window.
Athing Mu hasn't run the 1500 during the qualifying period, which started June 23, 2022.
But since she is a current world champion in the 800, USATF makes an exception for her.
Kersee wants to work on her 'strength' and so is pushing her to do some 1500s to get her stronger for lap 2 of the 800m at World's. I don't think that he really believes she will be competitive at the 1500m on the world stage as the 400m runner she is.
Her name "showing up for the 800" is completely meaningless. Merely "showing up" isn't good enough. She needs a note from her mother and a notarized letter from Sebastian Coe, or she isn't allowed to "show up."
Words matter!
Bunch of rookies here I see, you morans don't think do you?
USATF would have to accept all the marks up to Mu's 4:16.06 or they would look ridiculous and obviously be playing favorites. You think Julia Heymach is going to be OK with getting denied and Mu getting in with a time 2 seconds slower than hers? How exactly do you see this working, they just let everyone run with times under 4:16.06 or they just bend the rules for Mu? WTF is wrong with you?
USATF can and probably will bend the rules for Mu to run because she is a world champion. The Brojos said in their article that USATF can let My run even if she doesn't qualify.
Lots of organizations have rules like this, everything behaves like the rules say it does, or is up to some bureaucrat.
I wouldn't be super surprised if Mu made the team in the 1500. She could have been running a little extra distance in her 11 months off the race scene. We don't know what she and Kersee have been doing. Remember when Sydney was running a few off events and it looked crazy but paid off in world records. She's got 1:55 speed. A tactical final would set up perfectly for her.
I wouldn't be super surprised if Mu made the team in the 1500. She could have been running a little extra distance in her 11 months off the race scene. We don't know what she and Kersee have been doing.
Yes, we do know. Athing Mu was asked by reporters last week about her training, and she said that she has NOT been doing any training at all for the 1500, and she has NOT been doing any extra distance. Just the same 800 training that she has always done.
And we already know from Millrose 2022 how Mu runs a 1500/mile when she has been doing 800 training. Not that great.
So Athing Mu finishing top 3 in the 1500 at USA's isn't going to happen.
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