I don't see that he has the speed to run 3.26. Even if he trained for it he would be unlikely to break 1.46 for the 800. El G ran that in the last 800 at Athens in 2004.
Read the old thread on Jakobs 800 pr race...cold windy day running 146 right behind a guy who had ran 144 just a week earlier....he was in at least 145 shape then & is a better runner now.
You confused Jakob’s two best 800meters -the windy against the 1.44 guy (1.43 a couple of weeks later I think) wasn’t Jakob’s best -1.47.22 (Two years earlier: 1.46.48 -good conditions). Saying that I don’t deny he can be faster now. -We just don’t know (Exceptions for Armstronglivs and Salvitore and a few more who think they know by heavenly inherent insight..)
I think Jakob breaking the 1500m WR will be a tall order, but to put it into perspective, let's say the shoes are worth 1 second over the 1990s and the pace lights/tracks are worth 1 second.
So say 3:26.0 today is really what 3:28.0 would have been back then. Komen ran in the 3:29s. So maybe the question is whether Jakob can be 2 seconds better than Komen at the 1500m. Of course the question also would then be could El G run 3:24.0 with todays tracks, shoes, and pace lights. Maybe.
We don't know what the shoes and lights are worth over that distance. They may add virtually nothing. It is all merely speculation.
Read the old thread on Jakobs 800 pr race...cold windy day running 146 right behind a guy who had ran 144 just a week earlier....he was in at least 145 shape then & is a better runner now.
You confused Jakob’s two best 800meters -the windy against the 1.44 guy (1.43 a couple of weeks later I think) wasn’t Jakob’s best -1.47.22 (Two years earlier: 1.46.48 -good conditions). Saying that I don’t deny he can be faster now. -We just don’t know (Exceptions for Armstronglivs and Salvitore and a few more who think they know by heavenly inherent insight..)
"Heavenly insight" brought down to earth is where has he shown faster than 1.46x capability? He doesn't show it in the 1500m. Wightman can attest to that.
WADA has likened T and F to bodybuilding (and weightlifting) as equivalent doping risks. You are quite an ignoramus when it comes to doping issues.
Bravo. Since I have not made statements on doping issues. That was your second fallacy. The first one had nothing with WADAs riskanalysis. It was and is a false analogy.
WADA has likened T and F to bodybuilding (and weightlifting) as equivalent doping risks. You are quite an ignoramus when it comes to doping issues.
Bravo. Since I have not made statements on doping issues. That was your second fallacy. The first one had nothing with WADAs riskanalysis. It was and is a false analogy.
There is nothing more absurd - or pretentious - than one who presumes to argue philosophy when he has no idea what he is talking about.
1.50 is less than 4 secs from his absolute best over the 800. It would be like Coe setting out in 1.45-46. Jakob couldn't set out running that close to his best 800 without blowing up.
Lagat's 800m PR is 1:46 and he closed a a 1500m race in 1:46.
Maybe, just maybe, a PR doesn't represent a runner's limit at that event if he doesn't race it often.
I recall Jenny Simpson had never broken 2 for 800m but had closed the final 800m in at least one of her 1500s in under 2.
Steiner Hoen promised to erect a statue of Jakob if he breaks the 1500m WR at Bislett. In jest, but Jakob stood up to shake hands and accept the challenge.
I am not sure why anyone thinks he can ever do it. He seems more like Komen than Hicham and Komen didn’t seem like he could have ever done it. I see his ceiling at low 3:27 even in superspikes. He has surprised me before though so who knows? He would probably have a slightly better shot at the 2000m record, but that is formidable as well.
How is he not like Hicham? They even race fairly the same. Hicham was an incredible 3k runner and ran 7:23. Hicham and Jakob are both world champions at 5k as well. They're actually a lot alike.
We don't know anything. We don't know what Jakob could run for 800m, it's just speculation. We don't know what he will run for 1500m, just speculation. This whole thread is speculation. I just presented my own speculation, just food for thought.
It would be very difficult. El Guerrouj went out in 1:50.73, 2:46.34 and finished sub 40 for his WR. Don't think Jakob could finish that fast. Jakob would have to go out extremely fast to break the record because he can't finish that fast.
I know! I know! (waving my hand in the air) To break the 1500m world record he has to run it in 3:25:59 or faster. That would do it although it may not be that easy to do.