800's 75% aerobic, 25% anaerobic, so the aerobic improvement is going to help a lot when he goes back down to 800m outdoors. I'm not going to predict he gets the 800m record, but he'll have a shot at 3:55 or better. However, the 800m record is just 53.2 pace. That doesn't require 48 second 400m speed. It requires good miler speed, which he has, and a lot of endurance.
Again what aerobic improvement? His Clovis time was slower, his state meet was a half dozen seconds faster. He was a 8:01 guy indoors last year. If he was in much better shape than last year, I would have expected him to be a lot more dominate in XC... If he had come in 3rd at nxn in the same time, would you be talking about his improvements?
And the 800 is 75/25 for woman. For guys running down around 1:50 is more like 60/40. There is a reason why elite 800m guys these days train more like sprinters than distance guys.
Agree. I will only add this: If a runner is dominant, he will dominate.
The odds of him getting both are slim to none, the odds of him getting one aren't that great either. He has 8 seconds to cut in the mile.. that's a lot. Webb's 3:53 is so impressive. Aaron will likely have a mile PR no faster than Colin's this season. I'll predict a conservative 3:57.5
We need to let go of the myth of Ritz is unbeatable. Lex Young already ran a faster 5k than Ritz ran in HS. Ritz literally focused his entire career in Gerry’s record.
This was easily the best HS field ever assembled for cross country.
6 dudes had mile PRs of 4:01 or better at juniors including 2 sub 4.
Gorze ran 14:00 last year on the track.
You can’t compare times across eras. So much has improved to make times faster today, but that doesn’t necessarily make the athletes “better”.
In cross, Ritz is the goat. Put some respect on his name.
If you can’t compare eras then Ritz can’t be the goat. He can only be the goat for his era. Correct?
800's 75% aerobic, 25% anaerobic, so the aerobic improvement is going to help a lot when he goes back down to 800m outdoors. I'm not going to predict he gets the 800m record, but he'll have a shot at 3:55 or better. However, the 800m record is just 53.2 pace. That doesn't require 48 second 400m speed. It requires good miler speed, which he has, and a lot of endurance.
Again what aerobic improvement? His Clovis time was slower, his state meet was a half dozen seconds faster. He was a 8:01 guy indoors last year. If he was in much better shape than last year, I would have expected him to be a lot more dominate in XC... If he had come in 3rd at nxn in the same time, would you be talking about his improvements?
And the 800 is 75/25 for woman. For guys running down around 1:50 is more like 60/40. There is a reason why elite 800m guys these days train more like sprinters than distance guys.
He just set the course record on the NXN course meanwhile last year he was 6th. What counts as better to you?
You would expect an 8:01 guy to “dominate” a 13:43 dude?
He was injured at the start of the year, losing to Gorze by 20 seconds at Woodbridge and losing to the Young’s by over 20 seconds at Clovis, then improved throughout the year to put up a higher speed rating (204) then either of the Youngs have in their whole careers.
800m record aside, I think a runner who can run 1:48 as a junior and win a national XC title with a 204 speed rating as a senior, has a good chance of running 3:35-3:39 in the 1500m
Again what aerobic improvement? His Clovis time was slower, his state meet was a half dozen seconds faster. He was a 8:01 guy indoors last year. If he was in much better shape than last year, I would have expected him to be a lot more dominate in XC... If he had come in 3rd at nxn in the same time, would you be talking about his improvements?
And the 800 is 75/25 for woman. For guys running down around 1:50 is more like 60/40. There is a reason why elite 800m guys these days train more like sprinters than distance guys.
He just set the course record on the NXN course meanwhile last year he was 6th. What counts as better to you?
You would expect an 8:01 guy to “dominate” a 13:43 dude?
He beat a guy who hasn't broken 9 by 7s. He beat an 8:11 guy by 9s. Wouldn't you expect a guy who is in a lot better shape to dominate more? Shouldn't he have crushed GF course record? If he is in a lot better shape and running low 7:50s, would you really expect him to be losing states by 14s? Why was he only a few seconds faster if he is in such better shape?
Hey maybe everyone stepped up a notch and we are going to have a dozen sub 8 guys this year. Maybe he is really in 7:50 shape. But we haven't seen anything to suggest that. That is some of the fun of XC we make up stories and have very limited ability to judge how fast a race was.
He just set the course record on the NXN course meanwhile last year he was 6th. What counts as better to you?
You would expect an 8:01 guy to “dominate” a 13:43 dude?
He beat a guy who hasn't broken 9 by 7s. He beat an 8:11 guy by 9s. Wouldn't you expect a guy who is in a lot better shape to dominate more? Shouldn't he have crushed GF course record? If he is in a lot better shape and running low 7:50s, would you really expect him to be losing states by 14s? Why was he only a few seconds faster if he is in such better shape?
Hey maybe everyone stepped up a notch and we are going to have a dozen sub 8 guys this year. Maybe he is really in 7:50 shape. But we haven't seen anything to suggest that. That is some of the fun of XC we make up stories and have very limited ability to judge how fast a race was.
You can’t run 7:5X with that type of internal stride circumference.... not even external 😳Check back what I mean by that. He won’t PR any more.
If you can’t compare eras then Ritz can’t be the goat. He can only be the goat for his era. Correct?
Re read my post. You cannot compare *times* across eras. Specifically, someone running a faster 5K than Ritz doesn’t make him as good or better.
Just like if someone runs 4:01 this year in Wisconsin it doesn’t mean they’re better than Gabe Jennings was when he ran 4:02 his senior year.
get it?
I see your point, but times do matter. I mean, if I ran 4:50 in 1985, is that as good as 4:10 today? No. So what is your conversion- for shoes, track- or what about training knowledge, should that be included or not?
Simply won’t have the speed to do it. He needs to get that 400m down to at least 48 mid. Has a much better chance at the mile. Could definitely see sub 3:55 as a possibility.
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