If your end goal is to protect the fairness in women's sports, it's better to separate this from the broader issue of transgender people. If you try to deny their identity, they will take that as existential threat, and fight back as hard as they could.
If your end goal is to engage in a cultural war against the woke left... well, that's a different story.
This is a bigger issue than just politics. It's a battle for sanity itself. Large groups of people want to force everyone else to believe, or act like they a believe, the blatant pseudoscientific lie that people are the sex they say they are. If you aren't even allowed to hold such basic scientific truths to be true, what other lies can people force us to believe.
No. They don't think they are the SEX they claim to be. They want other people to treat them as the GENDER they identify with. A trans women knows she cannot have periods or become pregnant by taking estrogen or having surgery. But she wants to live as a woman, and be treated as such. What we are asked is to treat her AS IF she were a woman.
So why does she insist that she is a woman? Because otherwise people would treat her as a man. She knows she cannot be the same as a cis woman. But she thinks being a trans woman is the next best thing available in life.
You didn't answer the question of "where that idea came from." You posted a newly created definition of gender that has been pushed by activist in recent years. I have a dictionary from 2012 at that still defines gender as sex. For thousands of years, people have understood that a man is an adult human male and a woman is an adult human female. Most people still believe this. Gender == Sex
You fail to understand that words only mean what we choose them to mean. "Gender" and "sex" are how we choose to define them - and they are bring redefined because they are being perceived differently. If it were not so there would be no debate about these issues. But it's ok that you still think like those in the distant past.
My point about bringing up the history of gender ideology is that the original proponents of it also defended pedophilia and even placed kids in the care of sex offenders. (Look into Kentler or Money)
this is where the slippery slope is going. 10 years from now, you people will be arguing for pedophilia. Just like 10 years ago it was just two consenting adults. Look where we are now.
You fail to understand that words only mean what we choose them to mean. "Gender" and "sex" are how we choose to define them - and they are bring redefined because they are being perceived differently. If it were not so there would be no debate about these issues. But it's ok that you still think like those in the distant past.
My point about bringing up the history of gender ideology is that the original proponents of it also defended pedophilia and even placed kids in the care of sex offenders. (Look into Kentler or Money)
this is where the slippery slope is going. 10 years from now, you people will be arguing for pedophilia. Just like 10 years ago it was just two consenting adults. Look where we are now.
“You people…” Who the hell are you addressing? What if I said “you people” do not argue for pedophilia but you engage in it secretly? Check yourself boy.
Back to the main discussion, I’d like to point out how with this transgender athlete Seattle Academy was able to qualify for state. Without him, SA would’ve lost to King’s at districts.
it’s not just 1 girl losing a position. It’s at least 7 girls who lost an opportunity to a boy, and a system that celebrates THIS as progress.
In a 2017 article, sexologists J Micheal Bailey and Ray Blanchard wrote,
in Western countries in recent years, including the United States, autogynephilia has accounted for at least 75% of cases of male-to-female transsexualism.
Autogynephilia is a male’s sexual arousal by the fantasy of being a woman. That is, autogynephilic males are turned on by thinking about themselves as women, or behaving like women. The typical heterosexual adolescent boy has sexual fantasies about attractive girls or women. The autogynephilic adolescent boy’s may also have such fantasies, but in addition he fantasizes that he is an attractive, sexy woman.
The most common behavior associated with autogynephilia during adolescence is fetishistic cross dressing. In this behavior, the adolescent male wears female clothing (typically, lingerie) in private, looks at himself in the mirror, and masturbates. Some autogynephilic males are not only sexually aroused by cross dressing, but also by the idea of having female body parts. These body-related fantasies are especially likely to be associated with gender dysphoria.
In general, adolescent boys are unlikely to divulge their sexual fantasies to their parents. This is likely especially true of boys with autogynephilia. Furthermore, many boys who engage in cross dressing feel ashamed for doing so. The fact that autogynephilic fantasies and behaviors are largely private is one reason why autogynephilic gender dysphoria usually seems to emerge from nowhere. Another reason is that autogynephilic males are not naturally very feminine. An adolescent boy with autogynephilia does not give off obvious signals of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria.
In past decades, when autogynephilic males have transitioned, they have most often done so during the ages 30-50, after having married women and fathered children.
Recently autogynephilic males have been attempting transition at younger ages, including adolescence.
Caitlyn Jenner, Rachel Levine, Jennifer Pritizker, Jan Morris, Renee Richards, Martine Rothlbatt, Zoey Tur, Kirsten Beck, Jennifer Finney-Boylan, Grace Lavery, Joss Prior, Debbie Hayton, Jane Fae, Morgane Oger, Kellie Maloney, Anne Lawrence, Andrea Long Chu, India Willoughby, June Eastwood, Lia Thomas, Linsey Hecox, the YouTuber Contrapoints, Amy Schneider, Eddie Izzard are among the legions of white "transwomen" in the US, UK and Canada who are sexually attracted to women - eg, heterosexual males. Nearly all of the older ones have fathered children and been married to women; some have had multiple wives. After "transition," these males describe themselves as lesbians or "transbians."
Terry Miller, Andraya Yearwood, Cece Telfer, Kat Blaque, TS Madison, Laverne Cox, Shea Diamond are among the minority of "transwomen" in the USA who are attracted to others of their own sex, eg, homosexual males. The persons I named are all black and grew up in very homophobic households and conservative church communities. Due to the homophobia they have internalized, these males look down on other homosexual males and on their own sexual orientation. They adopt a trans identity because their families and communities will accept them as straight women, but not as gay men - and also because they tend to grow thinking that girls and women lead much easier, cushier lives. Most important, they adopt a woman gender identity because they are attracted to straight males, and they have a deep, abiding desire to date, bed, seduce and marry straight men.
In countries like Samoa, India, Pakistan, Thailand, Iran, Saudi Arabia, the Philippines, Jamaica, much of Central and South America, homophobia is rife and deeply rooted. In several of these countries, homosexual sex acts are still illegal and carry heavy penalties (the death penalty in Iran). Due to social, cultural and familial pressures, homosexual boys and men in/from those places, or whose families come from those places, often find it much easier to adopt a trans identity or adopt their culture's "third gender" than to live openly as out, proud gay men.
In the USA and other Western countries, there long have been lots of prominent out gay men living happily and achieving success and admiration as out gay men like Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, Jonathan Capeheart, Andrew Solomon, David Sedaris, Glenn Greenwald, Andrew Sullivan, Larry Kramer, Matt Bohmer, Neil Patrick Harris, Luke Macfarlane, Zachary Quinto, Nathan Lane, Wilson Cruz, Anthony Rapp, Robin De Jesús, Lee Pace, Robert Gant, Andy Cohen, Lee Daniels, Victor Garber.... and many more.
But in other countries - and in certain subcultures and locales in the US and other liberal Western democracies - gay males are still scorned and stigmatized, and there are few to no RL positive gay male role models for boys to look up.
Of course, some white gay guys in countries like the US of course decide to become "transwomen." But if you look into their backgrounds, I think you'll find they almost always come from families, communities that were very homophobic, sexist and narrow-minded. As a result, these males grew up not realizing that living openly as gay guy who likes to appear "feminine" and "girly" was an option for them. This has especially been the case in the current century, when due to the influence of the internet, the popularity of transgenderism, online porn - including "forced feminization" fetish porn and "sissy porn" aimed at males - more and more same-sex attracted male youths are getting the impression growing up that there are a lot more advantages to being a "trans girl" than an ordinary gay guy.
Good lord.
You could have just said, "No, I don't have the stats to back my statement up."
Any guy who gets off beating the girls needs help the cat has some wired crossed. How they are allowed to compete is stupid. And they need to be told that.
Any guy who gets off beating the girls needs help the cat has some wired crossed. How they are allowed to compete is stupid. And they need to be told that.
From the article the new rules around allowing a male to compete as a female without any gender reassignment surgery or testosterone reduction therapy is just total BS and unfair to all true female competitors.
And what exactly wrong with giving hormone therapy to minors, assuming their parents or other legal guardians give consent?
Because eleven separate studies on gender dysphoria in kids show that on average 80% desist at puberty and usually turn out to be perfectly happy gay adults. Providing cross-sex hormones or blocking the crucial mechanism (puberty) that alleviates their dysphoria for even one child out of that 80% would be an absolute disgrace.
Regarding parental consent: parents around the world also give consent to FGM and circumcision for their own children- that doesn't make it morally right.
You fail to understand that words only mean what we choose them to mean. "Gender" and "sex" are how we choose to define them - and they are bring redefined because they are being perceived differently. If it were not so there would be no debate about these issues. But it's ok that you still think like those in the distant past.
My point about bringing up the history of gender ideology is that the original proponents of it also defended pedophilia and even placed kids in the care of sex offenders. (Look into Kentler or Money)
this is where the slippery slope is going. 10 years from now, you people will be arguing for pedophilia. Just like 10 years ago it was just two consenting adults. Look where we are now.
They are arguing for perdophilia now. Look up Minor Attracted Person.
You fail to understand that words only mean what we choose them to mean. "Gender" and "sex" are how we choose to define them - and they are bring redefined because they are being perceived differently. If it were not so there would be no debate about these issues. But it's ok that you still think like those in the distant past.
My point about bringing up the history of gender ideology is that the original proponents of it also defended pedophilia and even placed kids in the care of sex offenders. (Look into Kentler or Money)
this is where the slippery slope is going. 10 years from now, you people will be arguing for pedophilia. Just like 10 years ago it was just two consenting adults. Look where we are now.
The "slippery slope" argument is a well-established logical fallacy. There is nothing inherent in a view on a particular subject - in this case, trans identity - that must have consequences for an unrelated subject - which you have indicated as pedophilia. Accepting that a person be able to define their own gender identity has nothing to do with the issue of sexual activity between adults and children. One does not lead to the other. It is the fallacy of the puritan that liberalisation must lead to evil and not tolerance and freedom.
My point about bringing up the history of gender ideology is that the original proponents of it also defended pedophilia and even placed kids in the care of sex offenders. (Look into Kentler or Money)
this is where the slippery slope is going. 10 years from now, you people will be arguing for pedophilia. Just like 10 years ago it was just two consenting adults. Look where we are now.
They are arguing for perdophilia now. Look up Minor Attracted Person.
And what exactly wrong with giving hormone therapy to minors, assuming their parents or other legal guardians give consent?
Because eleven separate studies on gender dysphoria in kids show that on average 80% desist at puberty and usually turn out to be perfectly happy gay adults. Providing cross-sex hormones or blocking the crucial mechanism (puberty) that alleviates their dysphoria for even one child out of that 80% would be an absolute disgrace.
Regarding parental consent: parents around the world also give consent to FGM and circumcision for their own children- that doesn't make it morally right.
So we are discussing the culture of Sudan, now, are we, and not the US?
Because eleven separate studies on gender dysphoria in kids show that on average 80% desist at puberty and usually turn out to be perfectly happy gay adults. Providing cross-sex hormones or blocking the crucial mechanism (puberty) that alleviates their dysphoria for even one child out of that 80% would be an absolute disgrace.
Regarding parental consent: parents around the world also give consent to FGM and circumcision for their own children- that doesn't make it morally right.
So we are discussing the culture of Sudan, now, are we, and not the US?
Circumcision happens in the US, Einstein. And the point- which you are wilfully ignoring- is that parental consent evidently isn't the be all and end all when it comes to the best interests of children.
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