ACC championship race course panoramic

Its almost as if there isnt a race this month where we'll find out who's the best on that day???

Yeah, this is crazy. I actually went out to the course, ran it myself to judge difficulty and distance. Next year in 2023, I want to invite all on this thread to meet up and run the course day-of so we can move past these stupidities. I'll buy drinks for up to 50 runners. Panorama Farms is no joke, great course, and accurate. There is a reason Tuohy didn't run 18:08 on this couse course and ran 19:08 or so and she's head and shoulders ahead of Valby.

From what I was told a few years ago the 8K course is 170 meters short. I forget how short the 10K course is but it definitely is as well.

You know they changed the course, right?

Sounds like XC to me!

exactly - and it is also almost like they have never run a race against each other in any important event. especially not recently on a track, for any kind of championship or anything like that.

Sydney Seymour’s strava post is a manual entry. I don’t know anything about the true length of the UVA course but her post can’t be used to prove that it was a full 6k

I looked back at 2019 and this VA 6K course does seem to often yield times around 20-30 seconds faster than the Madison Zimmer course:

(NC State, Wake Forest, Furman teams ran both

Henes 25

Chmiel 33

Zachgo 27

Jennings 12

Carnahan 20

Wright 2

Rehm 48

Brookhover 30

In 2019 SE Region race the 2K split was 6:39, 3K was 10:05 so we can't say that race started really fast. Henes won in 19:48.9. Nuttycombe was not slow as Monson won in 19:39 over Kelati.

Tuohy's times was 35 seconds faster this year at ACC vs Nuttycombe.

It also seems that relative to Nuttycombe, the VA course and the Fl St course seem equal in terms of times, which seems very strange.

Its almost as if we are trying to figure out the results of that race in advance because we like XC!

You can log back on after nationals in a month.

This seems accurate to me. 45 seconds which would put the course on a difficultly level of about Van Cortlandt which makes sense to me. Moderate-difficult course.

I think this Panorama Farms was oversold for its challenge.

People keep saying this but what did they change? If it was 170M short before and now its accurate, these guys would have run low 22 minutes on a challenging course? I don't think so.

Vin Lahanna gave an interview before ACCs that it was updated this season in advance of nationals next year. It's on YouTube somewhere.

Maybe the 10k was updated then. Justyn Knight had the old course record at 23:13 the year he finished 2nd at nationals. If it was 170m short and now is not, thats around +35 second for 23:48. 41 people ran faster than that at ACCs this year, it doesn't add up.

That could be. He was talking about the 6k course for sure, I would assume the 10k too then for Nationals. Maybe not the 8k?

well since the 10K and 8K at least in part are the same as the 6K..............