For me it's not the fanatic dedication, but his and Lance Armstrong's personalities are like night and day. He doesn't have the same control issues and hold over his teammates and is always talking about "not lying to yourself". Ultimately you just have to go by your gut instinct and ask yourself if you trust an athlete or not. Notice this site has no trouble trusting, say, Jakob Ingebrigtsen.
Not many of the right-minded would ever consider Radcliffe's record to be clean either, to be fair.
For me it's not the fanatic dedication, but his and Lance Armstrong's personalities are like night and day. He doesn't have the same control issues and hold over his teammates and is always talking about "not lying to yourself". Ultimately you just have to go by your gut instinct and ask yourself if you trust an athlete or not. Notice this site has no trouble trusting, say, Jakob Ingebrigtsen.
Not many of the right-minded would ever consider Radcliffe's record to be clean either, to be fair.
Are you crazy ? Don't mention Radcliffes name this entire thread is going to be deleated.
I don't know if he is on drug (I hope not), however, if you have run marathons (particularly many of them) then you might have as many bad races as the good ones. But Kipchoge had exactly one bad race. Can you really explain it with drugs?
More athletes seem to do well into their late 30s, so Kipchoge's performance becomes more convencing to me, although I am not saying he is definitely clean or dirty.
Human beings are overall living longer than ever before, are we all doping? If we live 5 years longer now than the older generation, does that mean the 38 year olds is like the old 33, 34 years old?
Radcliffe has well-known issues with her ABP; the purpose of the ABP is to catch out suspected cheaters when issues arise with the ABP.
That's not true. Casual obsever has been pushing that lie for years. Even when confronted with evidence, he still lies.
ABP must account for changes in plasma volume which are very large in a well trained endurance athlete.
LOL. Jon, why do you lie so much? She did have "well-known issues with her ABP", at least three times actually, and FYI, decreases of over 20% in ret-% - obviously a relative measure! - have nothing to do with "changes in plasma volume".
And of course, none of these facts have anything to do with me. Good trolling to pull me back into this thread though.
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Question for everyone here who believes Kipchoge is clean: If a 2:01:09 with a sub-60 first half at nearly age 38 isn’t enough to raise your suspicion, then what kind of performance and at what age would it take for you to start questioning him? 1:59? 1:58? Age 39? Age 40? At what point do his performances become too incredible for you?
You claim to be a clean sport advocate but you think like a doper. Time to re-evaluate.
You are unbelievably naive. You think the answer is to say to athletes that "doping doesn't work" - when generations have known otherwise from experience.
The absurdity of Letsrun fans is that they think fanatically dedicated athletes would not do whatever they could to succeed. Fans are like children who believe in fairytales.
For me it's not the fanatic dedication, but his and Lance Armstrong's personalities are like night and day. He doesn't have the same control issues and hold over his teammates and is always talking about "not lying to yourself". Ultimately you just have to go by your gut instinct and ask yourself if you trust an athlete or not. Notice this site has no trouble trusting, say, Jakob Ingebrigtsen.
That Armstrong and Kipchoge have different personalities is not proof of anything except they have different personalities. "Nice guys" can and do dope. What this site also thinks about Jakob proves nothing.
More athletes seem to do well into their late 30s, so Kipchoge's performance becomes more convencing to me, although I am not saying he is definitely clean or dirty.
Human beings are overall living longer than ever before, are we all doping? If we live 5 years longer now than the older generation, does that mean the 38 year olds is like the old 33, 34 years old?
Human physiology is such that strength and stamina peak in the late twenties. This is accepted medical knowledge. For an athlete trained to their max in their twenties they will only increase strength and stamina in their thirties through drugs. This is unrelated to longevity (which, incidentally, can also be improved with drugs).
Ultimately you just have to go by your gut instinct and ask yourself if you trust an athlete or not. Notice this site has no trouble trusting, say, Jakob Ingebrigtsen.
Jakob just turned 22. In the fall of 2038, if he is smashing world records and running at a higher level than he ever did in his 20s like Kipchoge, I will create a thread about him too.
Going by gut and trust is a fair approach. That doesn’t answer the question though. Could Kipchoge ever do something so spectacular at his advancing age that it would cause your trust to waver? Or would you still trust him even if he ran 1:58 at age 40?
Drugs don't give you more energy or allow you to exceed your rate of calorie burning beyond your natural capacity either in a race or recovery.
Kipchoge's energy output is completely normal. It's his energy efficiency and endurance that are superior.
None of you understand these basic concepts. So preaching this anti-doping rhetoric is simply endorsing the supposed doping efficacy.
This is where you lose all credibility. A more effective strategy would be to acknowledge that PEDS are one plausible explanation, but there is an alternative plausible explanation, and then provide it in detail along with links to studies that support your claims. By taking the position that drugs don’t enhance performance, you lose your audience.
More athletes seem to do well into their late 30s, so Kipchoge's performance becomes more convencing to me, although I am not saying he is definitely clean or dirty.
Human beings are overall living longer than ever before, are we all doping? If we live 5 years longer now than the older generation, does that mean the 38 year olds is like the old 33, 34 years old?
I’ve overstayed beyond expected shelf life by a fair amount and the only drugs I’ve taken are some beer and an intermittent social media habit!
More athletes seem to do well into their late 30s, so Kipchoge's performance becomes more convencing to me, although I am not saying he is definitely clean or dirty.
Human beings are overall living longer than ever before, are we all doping? If we live 5 years longer now than the older generation, does that mean the 38 year olds is like the old 33, 34 years old?
Yes, many athletes are able to perform well in their late 30s but there’s a difference between performing well at that age and smashing world records at that age. Kipchoge never performed at this level in his 20s.