what a cutie! wrote:
Wow, cute too!
I was banned for three days for posting essentially this same thing about another high school runner. Why the double standard?
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SDSMT Runner wrote:
I recently have raced against Birnbaum in a 3k and beaten him. Birnbaum is exceptionally talented and because of that he is in some capacity being taken under the wings of the Black Hills State University team/coach. In indoor, everyone told me that he was getting trained by them and that he was really fast. Black Hills has som decent milers for D2 and honestly I’m not even remotely surprised to see him break 4, just surprised it was this year. Some of the others on this thread mentioned training in Rapid City. I’m a collegiate distance runner training and living in Rapid, and during the winter it is incredibly harsh. My institution does not yet have an indoor track, so all workouts are done staring at a cinder wall on a treadmill. Easy runs and long runs are out in the elements (no matter how extreme). On problem with this type of training is that you never really seem to know where you are fitness wise. Another reason why it seems Birnbaum came out of nowhere is that South Dakota highschool competition is not the greatest. I personally didn’t run in south dakota for highschool but seeing how low the competition level is, its hard to imagine this kid trying to solo sub 4:10’s in outdoor, seeing as the winter lasts through march and into april. I’m guessing he found out something about himself at arcadia, and when he found people around him in the Brooks PR meet, he had a realization that he had what it took to hold on to the group. The sub 4 was earned over Bergen in the last 100 when it appeared that Birnbaum just wanted it more. He got that from the blue collar grinding he did all winter.
^^^this
Cali boys aren’t able to fathom what this kid did in getting here. I consequently give him the best odds of a decent pro career, out of all this year’s HS sub-4 milers.
(To show up on the day and do it sunglasses was off-the-charts.)
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This to consider wrote:
SDSMT Runner wrote:
I recently have raced against Birnbaum in a 3k and beaten him. Birnbaum is exceptionally talented and because of that he is in some capacity being taken under the wings of the Black Hills State University team/coach. In indoor, everyone told me that he was getting trained by them and that he was really fast. Black Hills has som decent milers for D2 and honestly I’m not even remotely surprised to see him break 4, just surprised it was this year. Some of the others on this thread mentioned training in Rapid City. I’m a collegiate distance runner training and living in Rapid, and during the winter it is incredibly harsh. My institution does not yet have an indoor track, so all workouts are done staring at a cinder wall on a treadmill. Easy runs and long runs are out in the elements (no matter how extreme). On problem with this type of training is that you never really seem to know where you are fitness wise. Another reason why it seems Birnbaum came out of nowhere is that South Dakota highschool competition is not the greatest. I personally didn’t run in south dakota for highschool but seeing how low the competition level is, its hard to imagine this kid trying to solo sub 4:10’s in outdoor, seeing as the winter lasts through march and into april. I’m guessing he found out something about himself at arcadia, and when he found people around him in the Brooks PR meet, he had a realization that he had what it took to hold on to the group. The sub 4 was earned over Bergen in the last 100 when it appeared that Birnbaum just wanted it more. He got that from the blue collar grinding he did all winter.
^^^this
Cali boys aren’t able to fathom what this kid did in getting here. I consequently give him the best odds of a decent pro career, out of all this year’s HS sub-4 milers.
(To show up on the day and do it sunglasses was off-the-charts.)
Best part is he wore those sunglasses in indoor too!
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captnTyA wrote:
Best part is he wore those sunglasses in indoor too!
Must be some windbreak thing for the eyes.
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asdfghj1 wrote:
I don't think there's much evidence for this assertion.
You do not believe MOST GUYS (I did not state all) in Olympic &/or W.C. 1500m semi-finals are in 47.00 to 48.99 F.A.T. 400m range? If anyone were faster than than 47-flat 400m in Olympic &/or W.C.1500m semi-finals, we would hear about it non-stop as soon as the athletes show up at Olympic village. As soon as we turned on the tv, 1980 & 1984 Olympics, someone was telling us S. Coe has 46.87 F.A.T. 400m speed. Way back in 1972 Olympics it is common knowledge Miruts Yifter TT a 48.xx 400m at Olympic village. Yes, rolling start. Are you trying to tell me in 2022 most elite 1500m guys are slower than than Miruts Yifter in 400m? I believe J.I. is slower than 48.xx., 400m. I believe S. McSweyn is slower than 48.xx. They race afraid to kick off a slower pace. Most guys in semi-finals, Olympics & W.C. do not race afraid to kick. What is your best guess? Do you believe most 1500m semi-finalists in Olympics & W.C. are 49.xx guys?
Imagine Jacob had some incentive to run a fast 400m the week after the WC. Would you feel more comfortable with the above or below 49 line? Personally I wouldn't want any money on that as I wouldn't be shocked by a 49.2 or a 48.8... we also will never see it. Pretty much every 1500m 400m is from some relay in college or an open 400 in HS....
I expect most of the sub 47 guys go with the 800....
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This to consider wrote:
SDSMT Runner wrote:
I recently have raced against Birnbaum in a 3k and beaten him. Birnbaum is exceptionally talented and because of that he is in some capacity being taken under the wings of the Black Hills State University team/coach. In indoor, everyone told me that he was getting trained by them and that he was really fast. Black Hills has som decent milers for D2 and honestly I’m not even remotely surprised to see him break 4, just surprised it was this year. Some of the others on this thread mentioned training in Rapid City. I’m a collegiate distance runner training and living in Rapid, and during the winter it is incredibly harsh. My institution does not yet have an indoor track, so all workouts are done staring at a cinder wall on a treadmill. Easy runs and long runs are out in the elements (no matter how extreme). On problem with this type of training is that you never really seem to know where you are fitness wise. Another reason why it seems Birnbaum came out of nowhere is that South Dakota highschool competition is not the greatest. I personally didn’t run in south dakota for highschool but seeing how low the competition level is, its hard to imagine this kid trying to solo sub 4:10’s in outdoor, seeing as the winter lasts through march and into april. I’m guessing he found out something about himself at arcadia, and when he found people around him in the Brooks PR meet, he had a realization that he had what it took to hold on to the group. The sub 4 was earned over Bergen in the last 100 when it appeared that Birnbaum just wanted it more. He got that from the blue collar grinding he did all winter.
^^^this
Cali boys aren’t able to fathom what this kid did in getting here. I consequently give him the best odds of a decent pro career, out of all this year’s HS sub-4 milers.
(To show up on the day and do it sunglasses was off-the-charts.)
I hope they all do well. It's so hard to predict everyone's racing future. I do think that Birnbaum seems to fit the 800/1500 profile, but I suppose he could well at 3K and perhaps the 5K, but he won't be a 5/10 guy.
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I agree, all five may eventually go pro. But someone said this kid is only 16 yrs old, which is why I peg him the highest.
To the guy saying ‘drugs’, I gotta ask, what? HGH?
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Cali Boy wrote:
This to consider wrote:
^^^this
Cali boys aren’t able to fathom what this kid did in getting here. I consequently give him the best odds of a decent pro career, out of all this year’s HS sub-4 milers.
(To show up on the day and do it sunglasses was off-the-charts.)
I hope they all do well. It's so hard to predict everyone's racing future. I do think that Birnbaum seems to fit the 800/1500 profile, but I suppose he could well at 3K and perhaps the 5K, but he won't be a 5/10 guy.
I’ve been wondering about this exact topic lately (how to tell if a fast HS kid isn’t suited to NCAA XC as much as mid distance track). I’d love to hear your breakdown of how you reached this conclusion.
He does have an 8:55 3200, and I would have thought the flag for a slower 10k XC kid is a noticeably slower 3200 that that.
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Damn, watched this kid absolutely burn up the track with his close in a sprint medley relay at the Nike Nationals and I'm definitely getting interested in what he might be capable of.
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At Nike Outdoor Nationals, anchored winning SMR (3:25) to take down 49 year old state record.
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Could Birnbaum be a freshman at byu seven years from now?
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I saw this kid run a few weeks ago. After, I casually said to another spectator: "This kid looks like the next NXR heartland champ." Maybe I was onto something...........
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Heartland Fan wrote:
I saw this kid run a few weeks ago. After, I casually said to another spectator: "This kid looks like the next NXR heartland champ." Maybe I was onto something...........
I honestly think he can win NXR.
Although I wouldn’t count out Noah Breker either, because:
-He was the top returner from NXR
-He ran a 8:54 2-mile.
Looking forward to seeing how he will do in the mile tonight!
Some people think Sam Scott will win NXR. I don’t think that this will happen this year but I do think it will happen when he is a senior.
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46 seconds faster than last year. Gille ran 20 seconds faster than last year, and he's a 9:05/4:19 guy. Simeon is about to have an unreal XC season.
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I really hope we get to see a showdown between Birnbaum and Conner Burns at some point this fall.
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IIN 1966, Tim Danielson went from 4:08 to 3:59 on cinders.
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I did not hear this when he broke four, but he set the US age 16 record in doing it. I couldn't find his birth date but at any rate, notwithstanding being between Danielson and Slagowski on the high school list, he is going to move a lot higher this year, if healthy. 14:47 in September with that kind of improvement says that he will have a lot more strength for track. Why not 3:56? What kind of speed does he have at the 800m?
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He’s got 49 in the open 400 speed so he may break Alan webs record
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