Prior to cheat shoes can barely break 13:30. Might as well have been run on a rotating track. Without the shoes doesn’t break 27:00.
WTF with all the excuses about why a great run is ng??? So sick of the idiots whining about shoes and outright slandering these people about drugs with no evidence.
Lol how the tone of people changes when the drug talk isn't directed at NOP/alsal/Galen
WTF with all the excuses about why a great run is ng??? So sick of the idiots whining about shoes and outright slandering these people about drugs with no evidence.
I agree and the mods should remove those quotes. It's tiring. Shoes have been progressing since the late 1970's- that's just the way it is.
Drug allegations are uncalled for. If they haven't failed a test then they have to be accepted as clean. When/if they fail, then they're drug cheats.
I never made any drug allegations. Spikes from the late 70s are pretty much exactly the same as spikes from 2015 - plastic spike plate, rubber, nylon upper. Most of all, they won’t instantly make you 40 seconds faster in a 10,000.
Somebody correct me if necessary, but I don't think we have had a 1-2 punch on the 5K/10K ARs (Grant-ed one is "indoors") ever in U.S. running history like this. Pre had the two a few years apart. Bob Kennedy couldn't do it. This really stamps Grant as one of the GOAT American pure distance runners.
Huge congrats to Grant for 26:33! I thought he'd break the AR, but that time still seems unreal. Probably the best men's distance performance we've had in a long time. Before this, maybe one of Rupp's medals or ARs?
Rupp ran his indoor 5k record in January 2014 and then broke his 10k record in May 2014. It's a bit further apart than this was, but USAs was scheduled differently so it makes sense. Still, being the only one to do it besides Rupp isn't bad company.
Prior to cheat shoes can barely break 13:30. Might as well have been run on a rotating track. Without the shoes doesn’t break 27:00.
WTF with all the excuses about why a great run is ng??? So sick of the idiots whining about shoes and outright slandering these people about drugs with no evidence.
Because there is a large % of people that don't have the mental capacity to enjoy others accomplishments. The only way to feel adequate is to trash others. Apparently, no one is supposed to improve, get stronger, a little more mature, and technology should, under no circumstances improve. We should all be running in running shoes that were like friggin bricks on beat up cinder tracks. Apparently, thats the only way a new record is acceptable. That being said, looking at full results list, how would it feel to dip into the 27:xx’s and only be 18th? Wow, the whole field killed it! Fast race.
If this were a foreign training group the response would be different.
Pretty nuts when American groups get busted for doping and then celebrate American records from the same group. Come on people.
Actually, no, not for me. I know a former American record holder who was accused of peds on letsrun when she set her first American record years ago.
It bothered her because she was clean.
I'm just saying that we have to/should give the benefit of the doubt to athletes until/when they test positive.
Unless you can account for every minute of every day of an athlete, you don't actually know if they're clean. Please don't tell us someone was clean or dirty like it's fact - you don't know for sure. (ask yourself: "how can I prove it?")
So, the only system we have (albeit insufficient) is testing: positive tests or clean tests and that seems to be a system that can be dodged.
WTF with all the excuses about why a great run is ng??? So sick of the idiots whining about shoes and outright slandering these people about drugs with no evidence.
Lol how the tone of people changes when the drug talk isn't directed at NOP/alsal/Galen
Not from me the tone does not change. I don't think anyone should be accused of doping without a positive test and those who do so should be shunned.
Grant ran a fantastic race & I'm happy to see an American replace Rupp on the world stage at this event.
That said -- wondering why BTC is treated like climate change. We know one of their athletes is dirty (received a conviction) & saw how they handled it (reading hand crafted legal talking points, playing dumb, etc). So why are the up votes & down votes the same here? Maybe not the time/place or something like that. I'd like to focus on the good result but the group has lost credibility & hasn't really done anything to earn that back, unless you count Shalane's marathon quest/PR tour last fall. Fisher will go on Citius Mag & get lobbed a ton of soft ball questions.
I don't think 99% of questions or comments should be about doping but there should be room in pre/post race interviews to ask him why we should believe he did this clean when there have been problems in his training group. Just looking for as much transparency as we can get.
Grant sure did run a fantastic race.
Read the T&F news article - that might give you insight from Grant on the subject.
Why should he have to answer any questions about other people? Grant is very transparent about himself. He is the nicest guy, humble, articulate, and he has a great head on his shoulders. He is not the kind of person to get drawn into a slanderous situation but he is the type of person to give heaps of praise to those he appreciates.
If you were in his shoes, would you like to field negative questions about situations out of your control, other people, and negativity? If that were to happen, you would probably get tired of it and never want to speak to that person/reporter/writer again. If someone posted a question the way you suggest and essentially why we should believe you - what would be your reaction? Those would be fighting words to me.
Enjoy Grant for who he is, what he just accomplished, and look forward to his entertaining you with his athletic achievements. Listen to his interviews, his half step podcast, read articles about him and enjoy his being a roll model for our sport. A guy like him doesn’t come around often and our sport needs more like him.
If I were in Grant's shoes I'd have left BTC the minute Schumacher said he didn't know what nondralone is. But if I did stay I would fully expect suspicions about my performances. If I am clean I wouldn't like it but I'd recognize the questions as an inevitable reaction to a choice I made.
Read the T&F news article - that might give you insight from Grant on the subject.
Why should he have to answer any questions about other people? Grant is very transparent about himself. He is the nicest guy, humble, articulate, and he has a great head on his shoulders. He is not the kind of person to get drawn into a slanderous situation but he is the type of person to give heaps of praise to those he appreciates.
If you were in his shoes, would you like to field negative questions about situations out of your control, other people, and negativity? If that were to happen, you would probably get tired of it and never want to speak to that person/reporter/writer again. If someone posted a question the way you suggest and essentially why we should believe you - what would be your reaction? Those would be fighting words to me.
Enjoy Grant for who he is, what he just accomplished, and look forward to his entertaining you with his athletic achievements. Listen to his interviews, his half step podcast, read articles about him and enjoy his being a roll model for our sport. A guy like him doesn’t come around often and our sport needs more like him.
If I were in Grant's shoes I'd have left BTC the minute Schumacher said he didn't know what nondralone is. But if I did stay I would fully expect suspicions about my performances. If I am clean I wouldn't like it but I'd recognize the questions as an inevitable reaction to a choice I made.
Somebody correct me if necessary, but I don't think we have had a 1-2 punch on the 5K/10K ARs (Grant-ed one is "indoors") ever in U.S. running history like this. Pre had the two a few years apart. Bob Kennedy couldn't do it. This really stamps Grant as one of the GOAT American pure distance runners.
Huge congrats to Grant for 26:33! I thought he'd break the AR, but that time still seems unreal. Probably the best men's distance performance we've had in a long time. Before this, maybe one of Rupp's medals or ARs?
Rupp ran his indoor 5k record in January 2014 and then broke his 10k record in May 2014. It's a bit further apart than this was, but USAs was scheduled differently so it makes sense. Still, being the only one to do it besides Rupp isn't bad company.
Pre, Rupp, Fisher USGOAT 5K/10K. Sounds about right at this point.
Read the T&F news article - that might give you insight from Grant on the subject.
Why should he have to answer any questions about other people? Grant is very transparent about himself. He is the nicest guy, humble, articulate, and he has a great head on his shoulders. He is not the kind of person to get drawn into a slanderous situation but he is the type of person to give heaps of praise to those he appreciates.
If you were in his shoes, would you like to field negative questions about situations out of your control, other people, and negativity? If that were to happen, you would probably get tired of it and never want to speak to that person/reporter/writer again. If someone posted a question the way you suggest and essentially why we should believe you - what would be your reaction? Those would be fighting words to me.
Enjoy Grant for who he is, what he just accomplished, and look forward to his entertaining you with his athletic achievements. Listen to his interviews, his half step podcast, read articles about him and enjoy his being a roll model for our sport. A guy like him doesn’t come around often and our sport needs more like him.
If I were in Grant's shoes I'd have left BTC the minute Schumacher said he didn't know what nondralone is. But if I did stay I would fully expect suspicions about my performances. If I am clean I wouldn't like it but I'd recognize the questions as an inevitable reaction to a choice I made.
If I were in Grant's shoes I'd have left BTC the minute Schumacher said he didn't know what nondralone is. But if I did stay I would fully expect suspicions about my performances. If I am clean I wouldn't like it but I'd recognize the questions as an inevitable reaction to a choice I made.
Well then there is no pleasing you.
That's a puzzling comment. I don't see where being pleased or not comes into play at all.
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WTF with all the excuses about why a great run is ng??? So sick of the idiots whining about shoes and outright slandering these people about drugs with no evidence.
Because there is a large % of people that don't have the mental capacity to enjoy others accomplishments. The only way to feel adequate is to trash others. Apparently, no one is supposed to improve, get stronger, a little more mature, and technology should, under no circumstances improve. We should all be running in running shoes that were like friggin bricks on beat up cinder tracks. Apparently, thats the only way a new record is acceptable. That being said, looking at full results list, how would it feel to dip into the 27:xx’s and only be 18th? Wow, the whole field killed it! Fast race.
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