Schweizer for example in high school ran 40 mpw. Through college that was then ramped up each year,
Schweizer for example in high school ran 40 mpw. Through college that was then ramped up each year,
Do you guys project a distance, or middle distance trajectory for this athlete?
I find the headline misleading. Looks like the Brojos are laying it on thick.
No. She ran 20 as frosh. 25 as soph. 30 as a junior. And she touched 35 one week as a senior but was normally closer to 30.
Her brother ran 49/1:50/4:05 coming in the season from swimming and only doing 30 MPW. Interestingly, Carmody is from same HS and ran 30 MPW in HS and now is a 13:40 guy at ND.
Not sure bad form (especially bad form due to malalignment, rather than poor conditioning) is a cause of stress fractures.
Stress fractures are very common for distance athletes, especially young women. She should be able to avoid these by eating and sleeping well, as well as managing her training load. The cross training that she’s doing is good - she should be able to gradually ramp up actual running mileage just fine, if her bones get stronger.
Just tossing into the wind that Ellish McColgan also runs like she is constantly slipping on ice - her legs flailing/flopping like decked fish - and has rose pretty far up the UK long distance ranks
This is what her college coach said:
“Freshman year, we were really focused and conservative during the fall,” Burns said. “She was not a really high-mileage or low-mileage person in high school. She was around 40 miles a week, so during the fall we kept it around 40-50 miles. In track, we kept the mileage around the same but focused on the mile to try and develop the speed aspect and give her the tools to do the things she needed to win a championship. Sophomore year, we did the same but moved the mileage up to 50-65 miles per week. Come junior year, we moved it to 60-75. She usually trains with 72-75 miles per week, but during championship time, we have her in the low 60s. This summer, she wants to hit 80-85, and obviously she is at a high level right now and the primary mission is to keep her healthy.”
RunningFromTime wrote:
Just tossing into the wind that Ellish McColgan also runs like she is constantly slipping on ice - her legs flailing/flopping like decked fish - and has rose pretty far up the UK long distance ranks
FWIW Eilish had a fairly bumpy career until her late 20s with frequent injury problems until she apparently found a good balance with a considerable amount of alternative training and seems to have stabilized/improved since ca. 2019.
Not sure if this was related to her awkward running form.
This is what was written in an article that interviewed her.
Schweizer was not discouraged. She was running 30-35 miles per week. She was having fun, and she was getting better.
She was 47th at Nike Cross Nationals her senior year.
"Honestly, throughout high school I was not frustrated," she says. "I took the seconds and thirds and was excited about the new PRs I had. When I did graduate and my brother (Ryan, now a sophomore at Notre Dame) started winning state titles, I thought 'Dang, why couldn't I have done that?'
"But I did have fun in high school running with my team."
So about 35-40 per week in high school which progressively got higher through each year of college. That is substantially more than 10-20 mpw.
I was trying to downplay Cook's upside but you keep pushing it the other way. If Schweizer was doing 40 while Cook is only doing 20, imagine what she is capable of.
The silliest thing you can do is make any claim about a female high school distance runner's potential. In this case that potential will be contingent on her ability to tolerate greater mpw as she progresses.
Is it verified she is running a 5,000 this weekend? Not shown at UW or BU to the best of my knowledge.
Well then you haven't been around running enough. I have probably been about 90% over the past 20 years predicting girls potential in college. Most coaches can or they woukd stop giving out scholarships to freshmen.
With warm-up, 5k race, and cool down she just might get in her entire weekly mileage on UW's campus.
Betting 1 mile warmup and no cooldwon. So about 4 of her 20 miles.
Anyhow the poster's point about this being unusual training for an elite HS female runner is correct. Someone doing 30-40mpw often with a day fully off --> very normal. Someone doing a crap-ton of cross-training and only 10mpw due to a string of injuries -->highly different and unusual.
This is supposedly a week from Klosterhalfen at 18 (2015 4:09, 8:53, i.e. age like a US freshman), one day off, 40 miles/64 km, of which about 9 km are fast intervals, about 41 km aerobic longish runs, the rest warm up/cool down.
https://la-coaching-academy.de/images/photos/Klosterhalfen_Trainingsprogramm_Tabelle.jpg
more is on wrote:
Well then you haven't been around running enough. I have probably been about 90% over the past 20 years predicting girls potential in college. Most coaches can or they woukd stop giving out scholarships to freshmen.
That's incorrect. College coaches aren't actually that good in their ability to predict a top high school girl's potential in college.
For example, how many of the top Footlocker xc girls over the years have run great in high school and then quit running or ran poorly in college? A lot of them.
Caitlin Collier was amazing in high school in the 800 and then very mediocre in college. On the other hand, Avi Wilson-Perteete only got one scholarship offer but then she ran the 2nd fastest time in the 800 in the country as a college freshman.
Michaela Meyer ran a mediocre 2:13 800 in high school. Then ran 2:00 to win nationals last year followed up by 1:58 a few weeks later at the Trials. On the other hand, Mikaela Smith from California was a superstar 800 runner in high school, then went to USC and barely lasted 2 years.
How is Marlee Starliper doing?
High school girls are a real crap shoot when it comes to how well they end up running in college. All a college coach can do is give out several scholarships, and figure that some girls will perform worse than expected and other girls will perform better than expected and at the end of the day it will all hopefully even out.
astro wrote:
So about 35-40 per week in high school which progressively got higher through each year of college. That is substantially more than 10-20 mpw.
WRONG!
Schweizer ran 30 to 35 miles a week her senior year, only doing 35 miles a week once.
Her COLLEGE coach - who wasn't there - mistakenly said she did 40 miles a week in high school.
Personally I only ran 20 to 30 miles a week in high school, broke 4 school records and went to state twice in the mile.
