Jonthan Gault did a Q&A with her that can be read here:
original title said 10 mpw but has been corrected
Jonthan Gault did a Q&A with her that can be read here:
original title said 10 mpw but has been corrected
Wow you are going to get the Tuohy crowd fired up. Cook is obviously much more talented than Tuohy but they don't want to hear that. Her upside is unlimited.
rojo wrote:
Jonthan Gault did a Q&A with her that can be read here:
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/02/lrc-qa-with-runninglane-eastbay-cross-country-champion-natalie-cook/
Good Grief, 16 min on 15-20MPW. Talent is definitely a thing.
The low mileage is excellent for her long-term development. Her form is conducive to injuries, especially with higher mileage so staying low until this is corrected is best.
plus the cross training... Sounded like she's doing about 6 hours a week of aerobic work?
Any reason the mileage is so low? Injury prone?
Amazing how frequently we have heard that over the years. A broken clock is right twice a day, so maybe it will happen. But the real challenge in this sport is longevity.
Anyway the Husky Classic is a pro/college race so she should get a very nice pace to draft off of and have plenty of company. Not exactly running alone in a regular high school race, but it will be fair and square. Good luck.
more is on wrote:
Wow you are going to get the Tuohy crowd fired up. Cook is obviously much more talented than Tuohy but they don't want to hear that. Her upside is unlimited.
MUCH more talented? Um...no.
UNLIMITED upside? Um...no. NO ONE has UNLIMITED upside. That's not even a thing.
more is on wrote:
Wow you are going to get the Tuohy crowd fired up. Cook is obviously much more talented than Tuohy but they don't want to hear that. Her upside is unlimited.
There really isn’t much of a “Tuohy crowd” but there’s a big group of Tuohy haters here. You’re an example of that. Both are extremely talented.
rojo wrote:
Jonthan Gault did a Q&A with her that can be read here:
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/02/lrc-qa-with-runninglane-eastbay-cross-country-champion-natalie-cook/
and people will actually believe that.
Too many injuries running 30-40 miles per week. So they reduced the mileage and added more cross-training.
bigmig19 wrote:
rojo wrote:
Jonthan Gault did a Q&A with her that can be read here:
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/02/lrc-qa-with-runninglane-eastbay-cross-country-champion-natalie-cook/Good Grief, 16 min on 15-20MPW. Talent is definitely a thing.
It is impressive for her to run that on such low mileage. Having been a low mileage HS guy (9-15 MPW) who then ended up being a very high mileage post college guy (100-140 MPW for a 3 year stretch), I can give my first hand anecdotal evidence that there aren't necessarily big gains to be had with increased mileage. I ran 15:48 in high school, and my 5,000 PR ended up being 14:58.
Hopefully she finds some optimal training that works well for her.
Everyone loves Tuohy. Some of us grow tired of a few of the fans here. Big difference. I am a huge Notre Dame fan but have 2 guys in the office who just won't stop talking about them and I grow tiresld of them even though I want ND to win.
This article about Cook is incredible. There has never been a runner come close to her times on so little mileage.
rojo wrote:
Jonthan Gault did a Q&A with her that can be read here:
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2022/02/lrc-qa-with-runninglane-eastbay-cross-country-champion-natalie-cook/
Well this will provide another marker for the "how fast is Runninglane" question. Jenna Mulhern who was 4th at RL in 16:29 just ran 16:17 finishing 2nd at Camel City Invite. I wish Ms Cook well.
Why is that so unbelievable? Six hours of cross training on an elliptical machine or Zero Runner would equate to 30-35 miles of easy running (assuming that a similar HR is met). Add 15-20 miles of quality focused work and you have a reasonable training volume for a high school kid.
Same here. I ran 4:13 on 25MPW in HS but only ran 4:09 in college on 60MPW.
Btw is she running at the Dempsey? Wasn't that track always considered ineligible for indoor high school records because it is oversized? It think it is a 306 meter Mondo track.
astro wrote:
Too many injuries running 30-40 miles per week. So they reduced the mileage and added more cross-training.
Here's a Flower Mound newspaper article that mentions one Natalie Cook injury:
https://starlocalmedia.com/theleader/sports/national-champ-flower-mound-s-natalie-cook-continues-dominant-senior-year-with-eastbay-nationals-win/article_6e3a6582-5b58-11ec-9b90-1fe91b378ba7.htmlIt notes ... Following her sophomore cross country season in 2019, Natalie Cook had to step away due to a navicular stress fracture in her foot - an injury that sidelined the distance runner during track season that spring and for nearly a year of competition.
She is a very talented young runner ... Hope she has a great race at the Husky Invitational ... I think Runnerspace may be webcasting it.
more is on wrote:
Same here. I ran 4:13 on 25MPW in HS but only ran 4:09 in college on 60MPW.
Yep. I'm not against high mileage...in fact, I am for it, but everyone responds differently to it.
Again good luck to her.
But on this issue of records if she is running at the Dempsey this will not be eligible. Here is a quote from Milesplit that I cut and pasted when Tuohy set the 3000m record:
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"There is a lot to process there. Tuohy's mark bested the previous record held by Mary Cain, at 9:04.51, which was also our State Record. Cain had actually run 9:02.10 while in HS Indoors, but it was run at the Dempsey, an oversize track which is ineligible for Records. At that same track, Alexa Efraimson (Camas, WA) ran 9:00.16, but again, on an oversize track. Only Katie Rainsberger (Air Academy, CO) has run legally faster than Tuohy, but did so Outdoors with a 9:00.62. It makes Tuohy the #2 performer All-Time, and top Indoors."
The Ghost of Randy Savage wrote:
Why is that so unbelievable? Six hours of cross training on an elliptical machine or Zero Runner would equate to 30-35 miles of easy running (assuming that a similar HR is met). Add 15-20 miles of quality focused work and you have a reasonable training volume for a high school kid.
I will speak for me only and say that "cross training" doesnt convert to one to one for running (or even 2:1). Running is violent. Lance Armstrong himself was amazed at how hard running was. The x training is better than no cross training but good lord...16min HS girl on that mileage? I am both impressed and DEpressed.
It would be a great Sports Med trial though. Have two groups, one running, one running half as far but with cross training for aerobic base. But the typical feeling is that if you do your base as something non weight bearing like Bike or Swim....the the quality stuff (running) is going to pound you because of the lack of protection/adaptation of easy miles on the connective tissue. I would think...if you only pounded the pavement for intervals, threshold and speedwork, your body would be unhappy. Then again sprinters do that? Mind blown.
And boy she has a poor gait. But its identical to ...I cant remember her name...elite east african female marathoner. Runs exactly the same with knock knees, and feet flipping all over the place,
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