Salazar got the rawest of deals from this sport

Runnerofruns wrote:

bannnnned i got wrote:

as im sure most LR morans on here are too dumb to look into it and just insult me

this was one of the first pages that came from "vitamin D and HGH injections"

https://hghtherapydoctor.us/hgh/vitamins-to-take-with-human-growth-hormone/

from a few paragraphs in

"Since HGH is the primary stimulator of IGF-1 in the liver, it is essential to maintain adequate levels. IGF-1 mediates many of the actions of human growth hormone. Vitamin D increases circulating IGF-1 levels to help improve HGH functions. IGF-1, in turn, stimulates renal production of the hormone 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D to increase phosphate and calcium availability in the body crucial for bone metabolism. Yes, vitamin D is also a hormone. Increasing vitamin D intake may also reduce dosing needs for HGH therapy."

IGF-lr3 is the synthetic peptide, much better than the natural IGF-1, but as you can see you micro dose IGF-lr3 and HGH and MACRO dose vit d then boom you get more bang for your buck and stay below the detectable levels....plus it prob helps to have a shady doc who can help fudge numbers

now l-carnitine

https://www.infisport.com/mwdownloads/download/link/id/54/

shows that L-carnitine and IGF-1 have a nice relationship....but yeah al sal was just doing "grey area"....he was using this stuff to maximize HGH and IGF-lr3.....if anyone has a list of the "supplements" and "grey area" stuff he was having his runners use i would bett everyone of them helps maximize PEDs.

oh and here is EPO and l-carnitine

https://www.ajkd.org/article/S0272-6386(03)00114-8/fulltext

l-carnitine helps the body maximize EPO....who would have thought

in the end, what is the most impressive to me is al sals homework. he knew that africans were full throttle EPO and the only way to bet them was to sauce as well. but he had to keep his runners from glowing. doing all his "grey area" with micro dosing i bett his runners were able to sauce year round, keep from injuries and do those insane post race workouts.....but know its over, and pork burritos are out of the bag as well.

I am neither too dumb to look into it (have an exercise science BS, an MD, and am a published researcher in both exercise physiology and lipid metabolism), but I will insult you.

1) I am not saying Salazar shouldn’t be banned. SafeSport is a credible organization and likely found very concerning things in their investigation.

BUT

2) You are no better than the hooligans who say “do your research” and reject the COVID vaccine because their preliminary internet search yielded information “far more legit” than the peer reviewed ACTUAL research conducted by epidemiologists, virologists, and clinicians. Your kind (the uneducated “experts”) are just THE WORST. All opinion, no credibility.

Learn a little physiology and biochemistry before you spew accusatory vitriol.

Large doses of vitamin D create a positive feedback cycle for ENDOGENOUS IGF and HGH action. You’ve even noted that yourself. This does NOT mean they were using vitamin D to boost illegal “microdosing”. I take a vitamin D supplement myself, as do many runners.

L carnitine is an essential component of the fatty acid shuttle, allowing fats to enter mitochondria (and BOOM make lots of ATP). The benefits of taking L carnitine are myriad, but they increase metabolism of many, many things, including ENDOGENOUS EPO. This does NOT mean they were administering exogenous EPO.

You can fabricate and suppose all you want, but what you’ve written here is a load of mularkey. As others have stated, not one of his athletes has ever been found guilty of doping.

If you’ve got a gripe, have it with the “grey area” the governing bodies of our sport have allowed to materialize. I can (if I wanted to) take literally hundreds of supplements all of which you would think are “cheating”, and yet wouldn’t be violating a single competitive rule.

TL;DR: banned I got was banned for a reason. Salazar is sleazy, but also got a raw deal from the public and from multiple governing bodies. Both can be true.

Armstronglivs wrote:

carmine9 wrote:

What did he do?

Nobody knows

Not true. His doping infractions are on record and his abuses of young athletes are the result of an official investigation of which both he and the athletes concerned would be informed. To protect the athletes their identities and the details of their allegations are not made public but if the SafeSport findings are wrong they can be appealed, which Salazar has already done - unsuccessfully - and could also be taken to a court of law. I don't know of any SafeSport finding that has been so appealed, and overturned. So we have coach who has broken the anti-doping rules and been accordingly banned and now been found through an official inquiry to have treated some of his young female charges in a fashion deemed abusive. You might wish to know more of the details but that doesn't mean he has been treated unfairly. Only a successful appeal could show that. It won't happen.

original liar soorer wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Not true. His doping infractions are on record and his abuses of young athletes are the result of an official investigation of which both he and the athletes concerned would be informed. To protect the athletes their identities and the details of their allegations are not made public but if the SafeSport findings are wrong they can be appealed, which Salazar has already done - unsuccessfully - and could also be taken to a court of law. I don't know of any SafeSport finding that has been so appealed, and overturned. So we have coach who has broken the anti-doping rules and been accordingly banned and now been found through an official inquiry to have treated some of his young female charges in a fashion deemed abusive. You might wish to know more of the details but that doesn't mean he has been treated unfairly. Only a successful appeal could show that. It won't happen.

So no body knows in the public sphere about the safe sport matter.

bannnnned i got wrote:

original liar soorer wrote:

So no body knows in the public sphere about the safe sport matter.

stop whining and ask the blowjoes to interview safesport, nike and al sal and see if you can get the details on this saga that utterly consumes you.

just because WE the LRers dont know the details stop acting like this was all some inquisition and even al sal doesnt know what happened to him.

he appealed and got a lawyer and was well as we say here...went home DEVESTATED. he is silent and so is nike, which means the proof of evidence was so damaging that i would bett there was some financial settlement to keep the victims quiet about this and they signed a non disclosure agreement. why you cant understand this IS F*CKING annoying.

if al sal has something to say about this to satisfy you and the other morans on here then why is he staying SILENT

bannnnned i got wrote:

more comfortable wrote:

There was nothing to ban. What you fail to grasp is that hardly any substances are banned absolutely.

The drug agencies determine what appropriate levels of said substances should be in a normal, not-doped athlete and then give a max threshold.

If a coach uses non-athletes to determine what that max threshold is, if anything, it’s an indication of a coach who is utilizing brain power to stay within the rules / under the threshold.

There is not an ounce of cheating present using a substance just below the maximum allowed.

you are forgetting the l-carnitine infusions, mailing testosterone in books, and thyroid meds without prescriptions you f*ckwad

https://apnews.com/article/sports-business-ap-top-news-sports-europe-coaching-6583ab5acd9744018f234113f0bd7f29

The supplement that started it all, L-carnitine, was neither banned nor considered off limits if infused at amounts of 50 milliliters or less. But Brown’s first test of the supplement, conducted on an MOP coach and trainer, Steve Magness, was done at a higher level. Magness, who was one of the key whistleblowers on the USADA case, appeared to benefit from the infusion, thus prompting the excited email from Salazar to Armstrong.

And when Salazar’s athletes, including Olympian Dathan Ritzenhein, were sent down to Brown’s Houston office to receive their own infusions, arbitrators determined they were intended to be at the same levels as the one Magness received, and that records were tampered with to make it look like less.

Magness left the Oregon Project in 2012 and now coaches at the University of Houston. He tweeted Monday , “Tell the truth. Own your mistakes. Choose the difficult path. In the short term, it might feel horrible, but over the long haul it’s the only path to take.”

Salazar was also accused of misusing and trafficking in testosterone, which has long been recognized as one of the most basic and easy-to-detect performance enhancers.

Arbitrators wrote about an instance in which Salazar rubbed testosterone gel on the backs of his sons as a way of finding out how much gel could be used before sparking a positive test. It was after that experiment that Brown exchanged emails with the Nike CEO to update him on the test.

The arbitrators said there were “numerous other examples of this type of ‘medical’ direction in the record of this case.” The directions involved calcium supplements, anti-inflammatories, sleep medication and the consistent pushing of thyroid medicine that is often used to increase metabolism and control weight.

bannnnned i got wrote:

Runnerofruns wrote:

I am neither too dumb to look into it (have an exercise science BS, an MD, and am a published researcher in both exercise physiology and lipid metabolism), but I will insult you.

1) I am not saying Salazar shouldn’t be banned. SafeSport is a credible organization and likely found very concerning things in their investigation.

BUT

2) You are no better than the hooligans who say “do your research” and reject the COVID vaccine because their preliminary internet search yielded information “far more legit” than the peer reviewed ACTUAL research conducted by epidemiologists, virologists, and clinicians. Your kind (the uneducated “experts”) are just THE WORST. All opinion, no credibility.

Learn a little physiology and biochemistry before you spew accusatory vitriol.

Large doses of vitamin D create a positive feedback cycle for ENDOGENOUS IGF and HGH action. You’ve even noted that yourself. This does NOT mean they were using vitamin D to boost illegal “microdosing”. I take a vitamin D supplement myself, as do many runners.

L carnitine is an essential component of the fatty acid shuttle, allowing fats to enter mitochondria (and BOOM make lots of ATP). The benefits of taking L carnitine are myriad, but they increase metabolism of many, many things, including ENDOGENOUS EPO. This does NOT mean they were administering exogenous EPO.

You can fabricate and suppose all you want, but what you’ve written here is a load of mularkey. As others have stated, not one of his athletes has ever been found guilty of doping.

If you’ve got a gripe, have it with the “grey area” the governing bodies of our sport have allowed to materialize. I can (if I wanted to) take literally hundreds of supplements all of which you would think are “cheating”, and yet wouldn’t be violating a single competitive rule.

TL;DR: banned I got was banned for a reason. Salazar is sleazy, but also got a raw deal from the public and from multiple governing bodies. Both can be true.

lolz im sure you got your BS at a mid major (you wont ever say where), and im sure you got your MD at a top tier or ivy right? you run sub 14 5k, you make over $250k a year and you have a super model wife.

i got a BS in exercise physiology as well big shifter. you can mock me all you want with all your superior knowledge and fap off to rectal runners denial that PEDs work. smart people know they work and thats why they have been being used by athletes since they were discovered. al sal doped himself and doped mary decker, but you want to believe he was macro dosing vit D and macro dosing l-carnitine for their simple biological effects and you use your moranic justification that you also take vit D......let me ask you this top tier ivy mid major ive published papers (yeah prove that one as well, bett you wont), DID YOU EVER MACRO DOSE vit D and L-carnitine via IV? again i bett not.

sports have dopers, these dopers use the same sh*t as always, androgens, hormones and peptides. now as those actual medical papers i linked show and YOU agreed with, they are beneficial when added to EPO and HGH. so know do a little math, 2+2 equals this "grey area" intravenous injections of macro dose levels of vit d and l-carnitine, would be a great stack with MICRO dosing EPO and HGH, as well as any androgen.....you know al sal gave ruppy poop androgel rub downs with happy endings.

so mr mid major, top tier ivy published papers why dont you PROVE your boasts or shut up