Wejo needs to apologize to the Clean Sport Collective

henrik wrote:

These Pretzels wrote:

I just posted this without seeing the CSC's response and it's almost exactly what I said. Wejo, you (likely willfully) missed a very clear interpretation of their retweet. You were obviously looking for a fight here.

It's rather opposite, a bunch of people here just want to fight with Wejo, even though they clearly understand what his message is.

More like point out, CORRECTLY, how he is wrong

sbeefyk2 wrote:

I don't care for journalist drama, but I do know everyone has the right to ask for money and give money to any cause they want. Personally, there's so many better causes you should donate your money. Her gofundme is simply going to go into her already wealthy lawyer's pocket. So, you can buy another house for her lawyer, or donate to toddlers dying of hunger. It's your choice to decide what is most important to you.

Oh yea, not to mention she's guilty and has no logical defense.

NO ONE ever said she didn’t have the RIGHT to ask for money. The CSC didn’t say this

casual obsever wrote:

Shelby is guilty wrote:

100% projection on your part, Chief

LOL. These were all their posts in this thread, cited in full:

so who are you? wrote:

So your propaganda is the truth?

so who are you? wrote:

But you're a determined, obsessive troll, so your opinions should not be taken seriously.

so who are you? wrote:

Yes there is a logical explanation. You just don't want to hear it.

so who are you? wrote:

You're just trolling for attention.

Thank you for defending me

chogun wrote:

This is why its more expensive to execute a murderer rather than jail them.

Hasn't she already exhausted her appeals?

She has, but she can try and get the verdict set aside by the Swiss court. This would mean her case has to be heard again. But that can only happen if the court finds that there were procedural faults at the CAS. She can't introduce new evidence at the Swiss court, and that court can't rule on her guilt or innocence.

Getting justice is expensive but as others have said, if I was looking to donate to a legal fund to correct an injustice, I would probably look for one of the hundreds of potentially unsafe criminal convictions of POC rather than give money so that an athlete can dispute a civil case.

High hopes wrote:

chogun wrote:

This is why its more expensive to execute a murderer rather than jail them.

Hasn't she already exhausted her appeals?

She has, but she can try and get the verdict set aside by the Swiss court. This would mean her case has to be heard again. But that can only happen if the court finds that there were procedural faults at the CAS. She can't introduce new evidence at the Swiss court, and that court can't rule on her guilt or innocence.

Getting justice is expensive but as others have said, if I was looking to donate to a legal fund to correct an injustice, I would probably look for one of the hundreds of potentially unsafe criminal convictions of POC rather than give money so that an athlete can dispute a civil case.

Yup. That’s okay by her money grabbing move SCREAMS guilty

Shelby is guilty wrote:

High hopes wrote:

She has, but she can try and get the verdict set aside by the Swiss court. This would mean her case has to be heard again. But that can only happen if the court finds that there were procedural faults at the CAS. She can't introduce new evidence at the Swiss court, and that court can't rule on her guilt or innocence.

Getting justice is expensive but as others have said, if I was looking to donate to a legal fund to correct an injustice, I would probably look for one of the hundreds of potentially unsafe criminal convictions of POC rather than give money so that an athlete can dispute a civil case.

Yup. That’s okay by her money grabbing move SCREAMS guilty

You seem obsessed.

Gault and the Brojos have lost all credibility when it comes to anti-doping with how easily they want to believe Shelby.

Runner10287 wrote:

Gault and the Brojos have lost all credibility when it comes to anti-doping with how easily they want to believe Shelby.

Credibilty eh? Putting up an image? Is that really important to you?

Running fast with no crowd other than your teammates and coach is definitely possible. I've done time trials and pr'd before.

Didn't mahkloufi run a 1:44-45 In practice before?

The fact that jerriom Lawson,Brenda Martinez, ajee Wilson all had very similar cases and people want to think they are clean should hold weight here. Especially when the lab director lied under oath(with no repercussions) in the previous case. That is a huge red flag.

So the idea of a clean sport group saying that people shouldn't support someone who believes they are clean is sickening. Regardless of if they went to trial or not. They should be tweeting that Lawson, Wilson, and Martinez should be banned since blindly following the results of drug tests would morally be in line with what they are with Shelby. Has anyone on these

message boards ever been accused of something they didn't do?

Shelby is guilty wrote:

Shelby is guilty wrote:

My god people are stupid

(1) you allow COVID misinformation and all sorts of other yeah on your website under the guise of free speech

(2) you insult the CSC for exercising their free speech NOT TO MENTION DOING THEIR JOB

(3) after, by the way, Shelby had her day in court and was found GUILTY!

This site disgusts me

Wejo has no response for this

1) we believe in free speech which means we allow speech we disagree with.

2) similar I’d argue a group that is for clean sport, where a problem is athletes who didn’t dope being convicted of doping offenses, would not actively encourage people to donate to an athlete’s defense, even if they thought the athlete was guilty.

it’s pretty simple. It’s called supporting a principle. It’s like the aclu standing for speech they vehemently oppose.

westsouthrunner wrote:

Didn't mahkloufi run a 1:44-45 In practice before?

Interesting comparison.

westsouthrunner wrote:

The fact that jerriom Lawson,Brenda Martinez, ajee Wilson all had very similar cases and people want to think they are clean should hold weight here. Especially when the lab director lied under oath(with no repercussions) in the previous case.

These are only "very similar cases" when viewed from very far away. For Shelby's burrito scenario to be true, there had to be a cascade of in part absurdly unlikely events (instead of one unlikely event like for Wilson). Yes I know, people do get hit by lightning (Wilson), but never four times in one day, with clear skies in two of those hits (Houlihan).

Do you have any evidence that "the lab director lied under oath"? I tried finding that last time rojo made that claim, but couldn't, and rojo never responded to my question.

1) I’m not convinced it was unintentional but am open to that possibility .

Bowerman does not have a dirty representation and when I first heard of this case from someone outside of Bowerman it was presented as an Ajee Wilson situation. Plus Shelby tried to expedite the case so she could compete.

2. No. If it was unintentional her focusing on the burrito makes sense to me. Will you acknowledge she ate a the burrito truck less than 12 hours before being tested and that I had offal on the menu? That seems unusual to me so if I tested positive and didn’t know why I would immediately focus on what I ate right before.

if she knows the real reason and covering it up I think the real reason is doping .

3) yes

4) she’s the American record holder in two events so I think almost by definition we should question every American record holder’s progression. But that doesn’t mean they are dirty.

5. Schweitzer has run 14:26. Do you think she’s dirty ? I have no problem envision another American being two seconds faster. Granted Shelby didn’t wear super spikes so she’d be even faster than that but I guess you’d say she felt guilty about doping so she didn’t wear super spikes?!

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my question for you is how do you think it got in her system? If she was orally dosing Nandrolone isn’t that ineffective? Or do you think that’s the safest way to do it and she would only do it after going to burrito truck as a cover? Or do you think something else had nandro in it?

Thanks for answering.

Chris McClung had a pretty decent theory in his podcast about how the nandrolone was injected.

He says she might have ingested a supplement later in the day than usual feeling she was in the clear from drug testers. So it had not cleared her system in time.

I thinks she blamed the burrito because intentional or unintentional, she knew she couldn't get away with saying it was a part of a supplement or she took nandrolone. The burrito was her best shot at winning. But I absolutely believe she knows the truth and is still riding on this lie. Which for me makes her a liar. Loses all respect.

Propaganda, originating from Team Shelby.

Here are, again, Shelby's problems with that claim:

According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that an intact boar made it into the burrito ("improbable", CAS wrote). {At this point, the case is lost.}

According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high nandro levels ("improbable", CAS wrote). {extra icing on the cake}

According to CAS, we can rule out on the balance of probability that a stomach offal burrito even from an intact boar would have caused such high androgen levels ("highly improbable", CAS wrote). {nail in the coffin}

According to CAS, we can rule out that the nandro came from "commercial pork" (not "consistent with", CAS wrote). And according to CAS, the food truck obtained their food from a commercial plant that used commercial pork from commercial farmers.

With that, the coffin was burned, and all ashes spread out over the ocean.

Doubt it. It was a slam dunk. She "expedited" by skipping the DT decision as part of the propaganda, just like she managed to keep her provisional ban silent - now some people think she didn't have her appeal yet, and the system is unfair, and there was no due process etc.

It is not ineffective; it is less effective and much safer if dosed correctly.

Most likely scenario imho: she used - like certain other people - a complex designer cocktail, where either one of the steroids was contaminated with nandro or where nandro was a small part on purpose, but this time by mistake added in a too high amount.

so who are you? wrote:

Shelby is guilty wrote:

Yup. That’s okay by her money grabbing move SCREAMS guilty

You seem obsessed.

I don’t know what you’re talking about. You seem obsessed with me. Stalk much?

I want to also add one more thing. So far, in defense of Shelby's innocence I have heard the following:

BTC doesn't have a 'reputation' like that ie: no rumors, previously.

"I know Jerry" he would never do that. (Does he have cameras in Shelby's house? I don't get it...)

I know Shelby, SHE works so hard. (working hard can be a sign of doping since drugs allow faster recovery).

It was just a trace amount! (IT. WAS. NOT.)

The scientist, Ayotte, AIU chose as an expert witness is a liar (this I accept. This is the only part of it that can't be explained away and shouldn't have happened).

She expedited the case and didn't get a "fair trial". (Ummm really? Do you REALLY think things would have gone differently given the evidence if this was handled another way?)

Ingested nandrolone isn't really effective (okay, but it could have been a part of a supplement)

They didn't do all the tests Shelby wanted them to do (why on earth would they??? they have enough proof it didn't come from a burrito!)

However. None of these arguments are convincing. None of these arguments address the actual issue at hand.

The Positive A and B sample

IT WASN'T A TRACE AMOUNT

The nandrolone found pig offal would never equate to the nandrolone found in her system. She'd have to eat 3 pig offal burritos for that to happen, not 3/4ths.

The nandrolone found in her system matches synthetic nandrolone not exogenous nandrolone

Oh, and YES Wejo, I do think its very possible Karissa was cheating too. 14:26 last year and an American 3K record. Then this year she runs 14:55 way out of contention for a medal and all of this after Shelby gets popped?

Brilliant post