Cincy got shafted by the CFP Committee

I know a few things about college football wrote:

Well...the committee is misleading then because they've always stood firm on placing very high emphasis on head to head competition when two teams have the same record. MSU beat #6 Michigan...simple.

The score was settled on the field & Michigan got waxed.

No, that's not what the committee said. It's not about teams having the same record getting decided by head-to-head, it's for two teams who are viewed as comparable overall they'd go to head-to-head. They clearly see Michigan as the better team, so the head-to-head isn't needed as a tie breaker. Upsets do happen in college football. Also didn't Michigan lose by like 3 points at MSU? That's getting waxed?

kw1954 wrote:

In a perfect world this is how I see it playing out:

1. Georgia (12-0, SEC Champion)

2. Ohio State (11-1), BIG10 Champion

3. Oklahoma (12-0, BIG 12 Champion

4. Oregon (11-1), PAC12 Champion

I just don't see a 12-0 Cincy team getting in. Other than the ND win early in the season, they play nobody. They're #5 at best with a two-loss Alabama #6.

That will change of course if giant killer Purdue upsets Ohio State Saturday. Then the BIG10 will have no-one in. If Penn State will beats Michigan at home Sat. and Ohio State beats Michigan and/or Michigan State they both will be out. Forget anybody in the BIG10 West even if someone somehow beats Ohio State in the championship.

Like I said earlier, the BIG10 is just cannibalizing themselves.

The BIG10 needs to reorganize the divisions.

Good post.

I know a few things about college football wrote:

SOS wrote:

Also, fwiw, I am ok if Cincy goes undefeated and sneaks in. However, I do not think they should be ranked ahead of an undefeated OU.

Not ranked ahead of Oklahoma? Huh? Have you seen Oklahoma's non- conference schedule? They barely beat Tulane (40-35), a non-impressive win against Nebraska (23-16) & they ran up the score against hapless & JC Western Carolina (76-0). Lol. They didn't play anyone in non-conference.

OTOH, Cinncinati beat #9 ND, at the time, on the road. Certainly, you must see it this way unless you think that was a colossal win Oklahoma had over W. Carolina? Lol.

Bro, yes, their non conference schedule was a laugher (though they did beat a Big Ten team and former huge rival - biggest rival in college football in the 70s) on the road, a team that is always up for them. But the rest of their schedule is a power conference. The power conferences grind each other down.

Cincy would be a two-loss team in any real conference. I don’t put too much stock in the ND win. ND is always, always overrated. Cincy’s had a couple nailbiters against patsies.

Again though, what works for them is that a couple teams from the power conferences in front of them will likely drop off and Cincy has the easiest schedule of anyone to finish out (But SMU will have something to say about that). So, it is in their control.

Also, since you haven’t been paying attention, OU has had a major QB controversy. They now start a true frosh at the position. It’s kind of unbelievable they are still undefeated. It probably won’t last long.

Cancun Cruz wrote:

No, that's not what the committee said. It's not about teams having the same record getting decided by head-to-head, it's for two teams who are viewed as comparable overall they'd go to head-to-head. They clearly see Michigan as the better team, so the head-to-head isn't needed as a tie breaker. Upsets do happen in college football. Also didn't Michigan lose by like 3 points at MSU? That's getting waxed?

Yes...that's what the committee has said kid, your post is full of BS. Michigan isn't the better team - do yourself a favor & look at their schedules carefully. Neither team had a impressive non-conference schedule though MSU beat #24 Miami at the time. Michigan beat an unranked & dwindling Washington team - I suppose you're celebrating that as a big win? Lol. Both struggled to beat similar opponents in conference play. But again; MSU settled the score on the field by BEATING Michigan. 💪Egregious favoritism by the committee for Harbough - they'll do anything to get him in the playoffs for better ratings. The committee is a joke with a bunch of ADs masquerading around like they know something about football.

SOS wrote:

Bro, yes, their non conference schedule was a laugher (though they did beat a Big Ten team and former huge rival - biggest rival in college football in the 70s) on the road, a team that is always up for them. But the rest of their schedule is a power conference. The power conferences grind each other down.

The Big 12 isn't a power conference anymore - why do you think Texas & Oklahoma are high tailing it out of there in 2023 for the SEC? The Big 12 reminds of the old Western Athletic Conference (WAC) where I played my college ball at back in the late 70s/early 80s. Arizona & Arizona St were the two powerhouses playing a bunch of weak, inferior teams. Both Arizona & ASU finally had enough of it & joined the PAC-10. Lol.

No, again, it's not what the committee said, but I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Both teams had equally weak out of conference schedules. So what?

You obviously have a grudge against Michigan and/or Harbaugh for whatever reason, so carry on. It won't matter anyway, both teams are going to lose to Ohio St. and possibly Penn State, so they'll be well out of playoff contention in a few weeks.

It's certainly very possible the BigTen champ has 2 losses. And they may get in over Cincy, crazy as that sounds. Hopefully Auburn wins at home vs Bama in 3 weeks so the SEC champ game is Auburn vs Georgia. That would presumably end Bama's hopes but who knows with that biased committee. Cincy has to root for Oregon to lose another game because I can't see Cincy getting in if Oregon makes the playoff. Oklahoma can get in as a 1 loss Big 12 champ even though their current ranking is unfavorable. And lastly, although the most unlikely, could Notre Dame finish with 1 loss to Cincinnati and inexplicably jump and undefeated Cincy team? That would probably cause rioting and change the system. I give that a 3% chance.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

It's certainly very possible the BigTen champ has 2 losses. And they may get in over Cincy, crazy as that sounds. Hopefully Auburn wins at home vs Bama in 3 weeks so the SEC champ game is Auburn vs Georgia. That would presumably end Bama's hopes but who knows with that biased committee. Cincy has to root for Oregon to lose another game because I can't see Cincy getting in if Oregon makes the playoff. Oklahoma can get in as a 1 loss Big 12 champ even though their current ranking is unfavorable. And lastly, although the most unlikely, could Notre Dame finish with 1 loss to Cincinnati and inexplicably jump and undefeated Cincy team? That would probably cause rioting and change the system. I give that a 3% chance.

A two loss Bug Ten champ won’t get in over an undefeated Cincy and neither will a one loss Notre Dame team given their schedule. You are ranting against impossibilities.

I know a few things about college football wrote:

SOS wrote:

Bro, yes, their non conference schedule was a laugher (though they did beat a Big Ten team and former huge rival - biggest rival in college football in the 70s) on the road, a team that is always up for them. But the rest of their schedule is a power conference. The power conferences grind each other down.

The Big 12 isn't a power conference anymore - why do you think Texas & Oklahoma are high tailing it out of there in 2023 for the SEC? The Big 12 reminds of the old Western Athletic Conference (WAC) where I played my college ball at back in the late 70s/early 80s. Arizona & Arizona St were the two powerhouses playing a bunch of weak, inferior teams. Both Arizona & ASU finally had enough of it & joined the PAC-10. Lol.

You really don’t think OU beats Cincy head to head? Actually, I really do hope Cincy makes it in to the final 4 just to make a point.

SOS wrote:

You really don’t think OU beats Cincy head to head? Actually, I really do hope Cincy makes it in to the final 4 just to make a point.

50/50 from what we have seen. We are talking about an OU team that beat tulane by 5(team cincy crushed by 19), nebraska by 7, WV by 3, KS by 6, texas by 7, and kansas by 12. That isnt a dominant resume by any stretch. In general teams that consistantly struggle against poor teams arent good. It is one thing to have an off game or two. At this point you are beating a lot on OU new QB making them a much better team.

Of course at this point Cincy is all abouy how good ND is. Sure they pounded a mediocre wisc team but they really feel more like a 10-15 team than a playoff team.

Problem is always teams tend to play 2-3 tough games max. Take GA. They have played a bunch of nobodies this year. Clemson is horrible. Auburn is a Top 25 team at best. And the rest are 30-50+ schools. Its looks like a down year in the SEC but we have very few interconference games. it sort of feels like we have a ton of parity from like 2-30 where there are no great teams but a lot of evenly matched ones.

I do think a few teams like Ala/oh st have another gear that they might hit by playoff time. But they havent shown it yet.

I agree with this. An OU vs. Cincy matchup would be interesting given they end up #2&3. But the only way that's happening is if Ohio State and Oregon have 2 losses. The committee has never put a two loss team in so they would have no choice but to put Cincy in. If they did, I hope they don't end up #4 as that would be a blowout at the hands of Georgia.

Yeah I really do think Cincy has a good chance to beat anybody, except Georgia. But even if they play Georgia again (they did in last years Peach Bowl and lost a close game), all it really takes is a bad game by Georgia with a couple turnovers. The Cincinnati defense is legitimate and gives them a chance against anyone. They have a QB who's an nfl 1st round prospect, potentially. Cincy has what it takes. I also would not have a problem with them being left out if all the playoff teams had 1 or 0 losses with a conference championship.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

Yeah I really do think Cincy has a good chance to beat anybody, except Georgia.

Perhaps, though I'm more and more curious about how good Georgia really is. They absolutely deserve #1 right now, but their schedule is turning out to be somewhat easy. Based on current rankings they have yet to face a top 10 team, and their remaining schedule is ridiculously easy. I guess we'll know for sure when they eventually face Alabama (most likely) in early December. But if they lose that game, I don't see them getting in the playoff over a 1-loss Big 10 champ, a 1-loss Oregon, or an undefeated Oklahoma.

STEVE THE ADDICT^^^^^^""""-""""--'-"--^' wrote:

Yeah I really do think Cincy has a good chance to beat anybody, except Georgia. But even if they play Georgia again (they did in last years Peach Bowl and lost a close game), all it really takes is a bad game by Georgia with a couple turnovers. The Cincinnati defense is legitimate and gives them a chance against anyone. They have a QB who's an nfl 1st round prospect, potentially. Cincy has what it takes. I also would not have a problem with them being left out if all the playoff teams had 1 or 0 losses with a conference championship.

I am not even sold that GA is that good. They barely beat a pretty bad clemson team. They have played 1 ranked team this year. Not exactly a tough schedule. If they get blown out in the SEC title games, I am not sure there is an arguement for them to make the playoffs.

Cancun Cruz wrote:

No, again, it's not what the committee said, but I'm not going to do your homework for you.

Both teams had equally weak out of conference schedules. So what?

You obviously have a grudge against Michigan and/or Harbaugh for whatever reason, so carry on. It won't matter anyway, both teams are going to lose to Ohio St. and possibly Penn State, so they'll be well out of playoff contention in a few weeks.

C'mon Cancun...I don't have a grudge against Michigan or Harbaugh - I'm just saying the committee is playing favoritism (which they've done before...who would have thought). For the umpteenth time; MSU beat Michigan...simple. I know Harbaugh is whining about the officiating and all, but they got beat fair & square on the field (maybe Michigan's QBs need to quit turning the ball over. Lol). Michigan has a heck of lot more 4 & 5-star recruits than MSU & Michigan had to full week to prepare for MSU, but still loss - maybe Harbaugh is a lousy coach? Lol. Nonetheless, the score was settled on the field.

Maybe you're right & both teams will end up losing to OSU (I do believe OSU is best team in the Big-10 right now).

SOS wrote:

I know a few things about college football wrote:

The Big 12 isn't a power conference anymore - why do you think Texas & Oklahoma are high tailing it out of there in 2023 for the SEC? The Big 12 reminds me of the old Western Athletic Conference (WAC) where I played my college ball at back in the late 70s/early 80s. Arizona & Arizona St were the two powerhouses playing a bunch of weak, inferior teams. Both Arizona & ASU finally had enough of it & joined the PAC-10. Lol.

You really don’t think OU beats Cincy head to head? Actually, I really do hope Cincy makes it in to the final 4 just to make a point.

Honest answer?...Yes. I think we can all agree here that if Cinncinati were playing in the SEC or Big-10, they'd have at least 2 losses by now.

I know few things about college football wrote:

SOS wrote:

You really don’t think OU beats Cincy head to head? Actually, I really do hope Cincy makes it in to the final 4 just to make a point.

Honest answer?...Yes. I think we can all agree here that if Cinncinati were playing in the SEC or Big-10, they'd have at least 2 losses by now.

So credit where credit is due. OU $hit the bed, so they are done. We won’t see a Cincy-OU matchup.

Yes, we concur. Cincy is a two-loss team in the SEC and Big Ten. Probably the PAC 12 too.

At this point, I hope we see UGA-Cincy… for any number of reasons.

Utah is giving Cincinnati an early Christmas gift. Crushing #3 Oregon 21-0 at halftime. They just have to win out and hope that Michigan or Notre Dame doesn't jump them. ND should not because Cincinnati beat them earlier. Michigan has to take on Ohio State next week so it is looking good for the Bearcats.