Anyone catch the Simone Biles interview just now on main NBC feed?

runnerboy70 wrote:

djokovic the quitter wrote:

Djokovic quit at the Olympics (and he had a meltdown and smashed his racket). Some say he is the GOAT. I must have missed the threads on him on here. I wonder why no one seems interested in this on here.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/02/sports/theres-double-standard-work-with-simone-biles-novak-djokovic-olympics/https://slate.com/culture/2021/08/novak-djokovic-jerk-watch-olympics-tennis-racket-smash.html

Djokovic ADMITTED he choked...made no excuses.

Djokovic often blows his cool on the court but no one fights harder. He is the toughest competitor mentally who has ever played the game - as most of his opponents would testify. He handles pressure better than any of them - and his record shows it.

No one can argue against Bile's brilliance as an athlete. Her accomplishments aren't the issue. But she had a failure of nerve; a loss of confidence - which can happen to any competitor. So she pulled out. That is regrettable - and it seems that by rejoining the competition she had second thoughts about that decision.

But what doesn't wash is the depiction by many of that loss of confidence as something heroic. It is facing your fears that is heroic; not avoiding them.

*for what you don't want to do

Armstronglivs wrote:

That is regrettable - and it seems that by rejoining the competition she had second thoughts about that decision.

I don't think that's right at all. She did the balance beam because it didn't involve any skills that whatever the twisties are cause problems with other than her dismount. During the intervening time between the team competition and the balance beam she was able to change her dismount so that it didn't involve any spinning or whatever would have had twisties problems and something about being able to put her legs on her thighs during the pike kept her from spinning.

runnerboy70 wrote:

[quote]djokovic the quitter wrote:

Djokovic ADMITTED he choked...made no excuses.

Djokovic bailed on his mixed doubles match after losing his singles match. He claimed that he had a shoulder injury, but I watch the entire singles match and he was 100% the entire way.

He just got beat straight up.

There is clearly a difference between quitting because you know that you cannot perform well and handing off to a teammate will mean a better result for your team and quitting on a teammate who will then have to forfeit.

Biles came into the OGs with unprecedented hype as the GOAT who was going to destroy the field like no other gymnast had done in the history of the sport. Biles decided to compete in 2021 because she was the last Larry Nassar victim in the sport and did not want US Gymnastics to think that they could just drop the issue of how they treat gymnasts by having all the victims age out of the sport. Biles has had very public conflicts with US Gymnastics over Nassar and athletes' rights going into the OGs. Then, the COVID protocols have basically put athletes into isolation without their usual support. On top of all that, Biles' aunt died.

Djokovic came to the Olympics chasing a golden slam. It is really not that big of a deal in the tennis world as the Olympic tournament is not nearly as rigorous as a grand slam event. There is a lot more pressure on Novak at the majors because he needs three more slams to pass Federer and Nadal. The OGs should have been a walk through for Djokovic. Novak threw a fit and quit on his mixed doubles teammate because he got beat badly by Zverev and then couldn't even get a bronze against Carreno-Busta after the Gold slam pressure was taken off of him. Novak was just acting like an entitled brat and showed extremely poor sportsmanship at the OGs.

toozy wrote:

you're correct, but... wrote: my IP address is being recorded when i visit the site but I sure wouldn't associate myself officially with this cesspool.

Ain’t that the truth.

Regarding Biles. Is ‘mental health’ still being used synonymously with the ‘twisties’? Losing your motor skills out of the blue as an athlete is a well documented occurrence. It’s happened to me. But it’s a little different when you’re talking about a sport in which you’re physically endangering yourself. Simone posted videos of her training with her landing on her head and back repeatedly into foam pits; she’s clearly not been 100%.

I agree, and would say we need a little bit more separation between the terms "mental illness", "mental health", and "twisties".

To be clear, someone having mental or emotional health issues does not have a mental illness, I don't know why I keep seeing people saying she has a mental illness while trying to defend her...unless she actually has one, I find that offensive because they are two very different things.. And this is all separate from having a case of the "twisties".

Any mental health issues should be taken seriously and handled proactively, this is something most people deal with(or should address) daily.

JSCM wrote:

I don't have a problem with Biles quitting because only she knows what she's going through and what she can handle. What I DO have a problem with, is the media painting her as some sort of hero. My 6 year old girl, who is a big fan Simone, asked me "Daddy, why did Simone Biles quit!?".. I wasn't sure how to answer. I've always thought her that it is NEVER ok to quit, so I gave her that talk again while downplaying what she did. Fast forward to last night, she was excited to see her return, but the very first part of the segment was a human interest piece making excuses for her quitting and praising her for it. I had to change the channel. I'm sorry, but she's not someone I want my daughter to look up to anymore.

See, you're making sense...

It's neither heroic nor cowardly in my opinion that she has the "twisties" or was off to the point of it being dangerous and ineffective...or however you want to describe it. And decided the best course of action, due to her not being able to get things under control and compete safely or effectively, was to pull out for her own safety and for the sake of the team's overall performance.

If Lebron was playing so bad in a game somebody on the bench could do better, he should get off the court and not selfishly drag down the rest of the team, no matter the reason he can't compete effectively.

If this was the twisties, then this has nothing to do with her mental health or any abuse she may have suffered. That should all be handled proactively.

Let's not make excuses or prop her up on a pedestal like she did something special by pulling out or getting a bronze medal., stuff happens in competition and it's as simple as that.

Okay, so let's take this and find a happy middle ground.

That was definitely an overreaction put I can ignore that and see some of your valid points. I also feel you kind of straw manned his take, I don't think he's going to such an extreme, there is nuance in things.

Nope... wrote:

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To be clear, someone having mental or emotional health issues does not have a mental illness

You have just disqualified yourself from this thread. Seriously you cannot be this dense? Wow……just wow!

RedditisBetter wrote:

Nope... wrote:

Once again, it is you that is seeing things through racists lenses. Nobody else cares about race.

Does she have the "twisties" or mental illness? Was she sexually abused or is she mentally ill? I find it offensive they you would categorize her as such. Nobody thinks mental illness is an illusion. "Pressure is an illusion", not mental illness, people should seek help for that.

Multiple pages into this thread and multiple other threads and the LR MB'ers are continuing to tear down a female athlete who has accomplished more in this supposed failed Olympics then all the posters combined along with their current family members and future family members will ever hope to even dream about accomplishing.

Glad the LR MB is a wanna-be Alpha male safe place. Congrats BLOJO's

She's accomplished more than all those people combined, I think that's a lot of hyperbole.

Athletic accomplishments aren't the only kind of accomplishments out there. Stop putting athletes on pedestals and looking up to them so much. And don't diminish the accomplishments of everyday people, many work just as hard as her and face all sorts of trials just to get though everyday life. The "pressure" she faces is nothing compared to someone who has a family to take care on a daily basis,

Whether you are Simon, Lebron, Warholm, etc...athletics is kids stuff. These are very privileged people to be able to do this for a living.

Troothsayer wrote:

Nope... wrote:

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To be clear, someone having mental or emotional health issues does not have a mental illness

You have just disqualified yourself from this thread. Seriously you cannot be this dense? Wow……just wow!

lol here we go...

So you're saying because Simon was abused, she's mentally ill? And we should lock her up until she gets better, because she might hurt someone else?

Being depressed or anxious, or whatever else does not mean you have a mental illness, are you serious? By your definition everyone is suffering from a mentally illness because just about everyone has mental or emotion health issues they need to manage.

So what I'm gathering your definition of mental illness is as broad as your definition of racism...Everyone has it!!!

There's a difference between someone who is bipolar and someone who is going through a tough time due to their parents getting a divorce, and they're both very different to little Timmy that can't stop skinning neighborhood pets and starting fires.

There's a difference between needing to work out some issues, and being on medication, both being nowhere near as bad as those that are a danger to others no matter what you do to help them.

Is this making sense to you or no?

Wow you took a lot of liberties there. Abusive relationship, anorexia, sexual harassment, really?! It's quite ironic that you speak about perspective, yet you found it apt to equate all of these things to someone quitting. Everyone is going to face challenges in life, but perseverance and determination is what sets apart those who succeed. If you quit everything at the first sign of adversity or hardship, then you will never accomplish anything. Obviously, Simone has exemplified these qualities over her career to get to where she is; however, this wasn't one of those moments and I have a problem with the messaging of it, which I think will do more harm than good. No good will come out out teaching your kids that it's ok to quit and make excuses when faced with challenges. I think we should teach our kids to cope with failure, adapt and overcome.

fat at 27 wrote:

Letsrun is a culmination of the least intelligent people I’ve ever seen converse. You guys are stupider than stupid. It’s hard to witness.

but so entertaining to watch them dance around the bonfire of stupidity

We always have a mix of young up and comers and older athletes trying to hang on for a last chance at glory. Biles is old for a gymnast and no doubt her physical skills are waning - winning even one gymnastics medal in a second Olympics is a major accomplishment. Mentally she's having a hard time adjusting, and she deserves our sympathy, but the screaming headlines about "twisties" leave little room for that. A similar thing is going on with Ledecky (who is almost exactly the same age). No medal in the 200, only a silver in the 400. Ledecky is (relatively speaking) a little less below her peak than Biles, but definitely past it. We've probably seen Coburn permanently eclipsed by Frerichs. Muhammed by McLaughlin. Benjamin by Warholm. Murphy discovered too late just how badly he can tactically mishandle a race, thinking that everything had broken his way going into the final. Just think how 4th place Jemma Reekie feels unexpectedly losing a medal because of a 19 year old phenom from her own country. It's an inherent part of the Olympics - way more losers that winners.

ABC used to run the picture of the ski jumper crashing off the hill ("The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat"). That's the melodrama that we love to watch and the media exploit. It's hard on the gladiators because so few feel the thrill, and we shouldn't be too hard on those who react badly to the agony.

James stewart, the fastest motocross racer of all time, hung it up shortly after a ban for Adderall. Without the adderall, he was all over the place.

not sure how needing legal speed to perform at the Elite level garners sympathy for a normal, healthy young adult.

djokovic the quitter wrote:

Djokovic quit at the Olympics (and he had a meltdown and smashed his racket). Some say he is the GOAT. I must have missed the threads on him on here. I wonder why no one seems interested in this on here.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/02/sports/theres-double-standard-work-with-simone-biles-novak-djokovic-olympics/https://slate.com/culture/2021/08/novak-djokovic-jerk-watch-olympics-tennis-racket-smash.html

Quitter that he is, I think what Simone did is worse. Djomovic didn’t cost a team a gold medal, if I understand the rules of Olympic tennis.

doingthistopost wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

That is regrettable - and it seems that by rejoining the competition she had second thoughts about that decision.

I don't think that's right at all. She did the balance beam because it didn't involve any skills that whatever the twisties are cause problems with other than her dismount. During the intervening time between the team competition and the balance beam she was able to change her dismount so that it didn't involve any spinning or whatever would have had twisties problems and something about being able to put her legs on her thighs during the pike kept her from spinning.

Well, that's one way of diminishing her bronze medal. It didn't involve the challenges of the other events. For the best gymnast in the world.

Jerry Maguire wrote:

My god, she’s really doubling down.

Instead of “ I just didn’t have it this week, it happens”. She’s going full steam ahead with this mental health boogie man.

Who did what to her?

She even mentioned she’s talked with Oprah. We can now look forward to a Simone Biles Oprah interview about something that’s not real and did not happen.

Athletes choke all the time, but now it’s some mental health rallying cry? Insane.

She was molested you idiot.