Jakob Ingebrigtsen runs European record 12:48.45!!!!

It was good to see everyone was totally gassed at the end.

No sign of the “not even breathing” when finishing a top time.

The two that I think of are Komen and Tefera who both looked like they strolled from the couch to the refrigerator immediately after setting WRs.

Any of us who ran NCAA are closer in physiology to these pros than to average joes.

We all should be suffering when running “fast” whether its 13:50 or 12:50.

I always remember the words of the great pre-EPO cyclist Greg LeMond who said “it never hurts any less, you just go faster.”

Always be suspicious of fast guys where it looks like it hurts less!

Folks, soccer moms and fat golfers wear vaporflys to Whole Foods for gods sake. There is no special shoe. Heck I’m 56 and I could only improve my 5k from 18 minutes to 14:32 lol. I want my money back! Why can’t we all run world class times??

Oh Please wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

How can Jacob be one of the most obvious dopers when he has been followed closely by the media since he was 11, where the performance shows steady improvements each and every year?

Remember Lance Armstrong? About a million times more famous than Jakob? You recall how he won 7 straight TdF while testing clean and denying doping? Yea...testing and denials mean nothing.

+1

It's embarrassing that I once thought Lance was clean.

Oh Please wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

How can Jacob be one of the most obvious dopers when he has been followed closely by the media since he was 11, where the performance shows steady improvements each and every year?

Remember Lance Armstrong? About a million times more famous than Jakob? You recall how he won 7 straight TdF while testing clean and denying doping? Yea...testing and denials mean nothing.

You do realize that Lance had an enormous team behind him that made it all possible? To compare with Lance is humbug. He came back almost from death and was suddenly the best of the best. Shady as hell. While Ingebrigtsen has taken steps by steps in a steady manner each and every year.

I know it's subtle, but I think you can get this Coevett...there is a difference between accusing and being suspect. I suspect, but I do not accuse because I have no proof other than the fact that the times are on the far right of a bell curve. You know statistics I believe...this is not what we would call "expected" (any of the performances we see lately).

You are unsufferable.

Instead of accusing Jakob etc, but then you go "And where is Kplimo hiding?"

Kiplimo raced 3 weeks ago.

Why don't you complain when Jakob goes three weeks without racing?

Aaleby wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

Remember Lance Armstrong? About a million times more famous than Jakob? You recall how he won 7 straight TdF while testing clean and denying doping? Yea...testing and denials mean nothing.

You do realize that Lance had an enormous team behind him that made it all possible? To compare with Lance is humbug. He came back almost from death and was suddenly the best of the best. Shady as hell. While Ingebrigtsen has taken steps by steps in a steady manner each and every year.

Do you live with him? If you don't, then you don't know if anything shady is going on or not.

His 7:27 3k last year had always me thinking he had the potential to run this kind of time.

Now he finally made it happen.

Well done!

Aaleby wrote:

You do realize that Lance had an enormous team behind him that made it all possible? To compare with Lance is humbug. He came back almost from death and was suddenly the best of the best. Shady as hell. While Ingebrigtsen has taken steps by steps in a steady manner each and every year.

Well hate to break it to you, but Jakob has two world class brothers and a father that coaches, I would posit that this could itself be a "support center" for any sort of thing they wanted to get up to. Again I am saying it is suspicious, I am not outright accusing. Afterall, I think Rupp has always been "clean."

Seriously, what more can be said about Jakob? He went at his pace, moved up when it counted, didn’t try to win from 300m, and smartly waited till the home stretch. I think his most impressive race ever. Wow.

The only way anyone else is going to heat him at this point is to run super high pace from the gun. No way he loses that final 200m. I’ve been a Jakob skeptic but that was boss.

reheh wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

You do realize that Lance had an enormous team behind him that made it all possible? To compare with Lance is humbug. He came back almost from death and was suddenly the best of the best. Shady as hell. While Ingebrigtsen has taken steps by steps in a steady manner each and every year.

Do you live with him? If you don't, then you don't know if anything shady is going on or not.

Ofc you can never say never. But you can see still see the painting on the wall. With Jakob Ingebrigtsen it hardly makes sence as his curve is extremly steady. There aint a suddenly leap. He just gets better and better, like he has done continuesly since he was 11. With performance out in the open for everyone to see and judge.

reheh wrote:

Oh Please wrote:

Remember Lance Armstrong? About a million times more famous than Jakob? You recall how he won 7 straight TdF while testing clean and denying doping? Yea...testing and denials mean nothing.

+1

It's embarrassing that I once thought Lance was clean.

Lol. It's dumb and dumber posting. You just can't stand that Jakob is clean while the Africans are dirty so you bring up an irrelevant story and sport. Actually good that you brought up Armstrong because in cycling you are tested far less than a top runner. Jakob is tested 10x what Armstrong was tested. Especially that out of competition testing. Brutal. So hard to escape getting caught. Armstrong was tested just as few times as Kenyans, that's why he was able to avoid getting caught. He was tested far more than Ethiopians though.

My claim to push doping discussion to a separate section has nothing to do with wether I think he is doping or not. I have no idea and certainly it´s possible, he is a doper. The point is, that I and probably anyone around here is aware of the fact that these guys might be frauds. So people putting out random "he a doper" posts after such a race does add nothing in my eyes, but needless negativity. What´s the point?

Are there news about a doctor or Gjert getting caught with needles or whatever.. sure I want to know that. But the discussion would be so much better, if the random accusations would be banned and those posters could talk to each other and fuel each others hate in a separate space.

Same thing with all this "race"-talk. How in the world are we still talking about black and white in 2021 like after every Ingebrigtsen race? I guess the name "race-thread" has some different meaning around here..

DC Wonk wrote:

The only way anyone else is going to heat him at this point is to run super high pace from the gun. No way he loses that final 200m. I’ve been a Jakob skeptic but that was boss.

I saw the race and I don't think he faced real kickers in that race.

The only one that I could beat on was Edris and he was out form this season.

Oh Please wrote:

Aaleby wrote:

You do realize that Lance had an enormous team behind him that made it all possible? To compare with Lance is humbug. He came back almost from death and was suddenly the best of the best. Shady as hell. While Ingebrigtsen has taken steps by steps in a steady manner each and every year.

Well hate to break it to you, but Jakob has two world class brothers and a father that coaches, I would posit that this could itself be a "support center" for any sort of thing they wanted to get up to. Again I am saying it is suspicious, I am not outright accusing. Afterall, I think Rupp has always been "clean."

With the national TV on the inside, making a TV-series that follows the family extremly close, while they in the same time do the nasty stuff... Compare team Lance with team Ingebrigtsen and you will find to different worlds. Do you really think they would allow a TV-team to follow almost every step if they had to take matters all the time to hide blood doping? Doesnt make sence at all.

If you want to see a real kicker, look at this race of Said Aouita in the final OG 1984 and the ease he run the last 150 meters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIDmyHSikgE

giddy gidey wrote:

It was good to see everyone was totally gassed at the end.

No sign of the “not even breathing” when finishing a top time.

The two that I think of are Komen and Tefera who both looked like they strolled from the couch to the refrigerator immediately after setting WRs.

Any of us who ran NCAA are closer in physiology to these pros than to average joes.

We all should be suffering when running “fast” whether its 13:50 or 12:50.

I always remember the words of the great pre-EPO cyclist Greg LeMond who said “it never hurts any less, you just go faster.”

Always be suspicious of fast guys where it looks like it hurts less!

I doubt visual exhaustion is a reliable indicator of doping one way or the other.

Pantani, aka Mr. 60% , always looked like he was dying on his climbs.

actual footage. wrote:

You just can't stand that Jakob is clean while the Africans are dirty

You are an idiot. I didn't even bother with the rest of your post.

Too juiced to lose, or something. Shoe superresponder?