Confirmed: Joshua Cheptegei WILL go for Komen's legendary 7:20.67 on Wednesday!!

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

5679 wrote:

I'm sure he is as tested as Nick Willis, Jakob Ingebrigtsen or Stewart McSweyn and is not afraid of publicity.

Cheptegei is probably tested as much or more than those guys. What basis do you have to say he is not? He races for records on the roads and track (these require in-competition doping controls). He trains in a well-known training camp in Uganda with a high-profile group that is not hard to find. Nick Willis is probably not running fast enough to justify drug testing at this point. I don't think running 3:57 miles justifies out-of-competition testing.

Cheptegei and his management court publicity all the time. They just did a World Athletics feature with him. He publicizes his record attempts well in advance. He takes on high-profile races throughout each year.

Just to be sure, I agree with you.

5679 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Komen ran 3.29 for the 1500. Cheptegei has to improve 8 seconds on his career best to equal that. So where is the extra pace going to come from?

3:37 rabitting the race, into a significant head wind in the back straight, and I bet, while training for much longer distances.

Once again you show your lack of knowledge.

*at altitude

All good, misread.

Records are to be broken, but the 3000m record is one of the very,very best by Daniel Komen.

Guess it won`t happen this year.......

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Records are to be broken, but the 3000m record is one of the very,very best by Daniel Komen.

Guess it won`t happen this year.......

A safe prediction but there hasn't been a time riper for breaking this record than this since the 2000s. You have young and historically fast runners with a nice set of breakthroughs in technology (wavelight, super-spikes) to maybe give 2-3 seconds that could make all the difference. It's going to take pretty audacious pacemaking, so hopefully they can find the runner who can run 59.0 or faster to get them there.

5679 wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Cheptegei is probably tested as much or more than those guys. What basis do you have to say he is not? He races for records on the roads and track (these require in-competition doping controls). He trains in a well-known training camp in Uganda with a high-profile group that is not hard to find. Nick Willis is probably not running fast enough to justify drug testing at this point. I don't think running 3:57 miles justifies out-of-competition testing.

Cheptegei and his management court publicity all the time. They just did a World Athletics feature with him. He publicizes his record attempts well in advance. He takes on high-profile races throughout each year.

Just to be sure, I agree with you.

The nearest WADA lab is in Nairobi. We know that corruption is endemic in that part of the world and that 'tea money' bribes have been the norm in Kenya for years. No reason to believe that it's different in a neighbouring country with similar levels of corruption. Ask yourself why Uganda has relatively suddenly emerged as a powerhouse just when testing was tightened up in Kenya. Of course his management hypes him up and publicizes his races. Frederico Rosa is there to make money out of him.

It's possible I guess he's not doping, but when Frederico Rosa, a man chased out of Kenya over doping allegations, unearths a Ugandan superstar when that country had no real history of distance success, a superstar capable of breaking the most infamous of the full throttle EPO era records, then you ought to be a tad sceptical. To say he's no more suspicious than Nick Willis is ridiculous.

rekrunner wrote:

I just saw an NCAA analysis of the effect of super spikes, which suggests 1%, or 4.4 seconds.

You saw a lot of nonsense comparing apples and oranges. NCAA athletes tend to get faster over time. They are slow freshmen and then fast seniors. They happened to get new shoes before they got faster, big deal.

If there were any shoe capable of improving times by 1%, records would not be falling to outlier athletes. There would be a whole crowd of people gunning for them.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

Has anyone really tried? 3000m isn't a popular event.

Bekele/Geb went semi-hard at it in a couple random seasons, but not consistently throughout their careers. Neither of them had ideal 1,500 speed, as they were 5000/10000 guys. Not since El Guerrouj, who took just one shot at it in his prime, has there been a candidate as ripe to go after it as Jakob (unless you count Farah). Another name who would have a theoretical shot is Yomif Kejelcha but he hasn't been at his top level recently.

Yes -- this is what I meant.

When considering why a record has lasted 25 years we must also consider opportunities, incentives, and someone with the talent attempting it when he is in peak shape in his prime.

See Coevett you just make stuff up without facts on your side. Cheptegei is on the NN Running Team and his agent is Jurrie van der Velden Apple. Rosa literally represents one Ugandan, Jacob Kiplimo. Rosa has not been chased out of Kenya he literally represents 25 Kenyans.

This is all available information:

Rosa-

Cheptegei's Agent and for more Ugandans -

Bad Wigins wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

I just saw an NCAA analysis of the effect of super spikes, which suggests 1%, or 4.4 seconds.

You saw a lot of nonsense comparing apples and oranges. NCAA athletes tend to get faster over time. They are slow freshmen and then fast seniors. They happened to get new shoes before they got faster, big deal.

If there were any shoe capable of improving times by 1%, records would not be falling to outlier athletes. There would be a whole crowd of people gunning for them.

I see a lot of comparing apples and oranges nonsense here every day.

The shoes made a big impact on marathon times, but I guess it is too early (for me) to say anything about super spikes on the track.

Either you trust drug testing or you don't.

Joshua competes all the time in Europe and he gets tested many times a year.

Is he clean? I would never bet on it. I would never bet on any professional being clean unless he was me.

But just accusing him of doping because he is an amazing talent from Africa is a cheap shot.

You want suspicious results? Coe's 1:41 (and I am a big fan of Coe, the athlete) is a prime example.

Coevett, if you want to be taken seriously in your anti-doping crusade you should stop lying. You have lost credibility over the years with your constant and unnecessary lies. Just don't do it.

Thank you for the clarification, THOUGHTSLEADER.

rekrunner wrote:

ElGuerroujFan wrote:

New video from TotalRunningProductions. Rumors going around that Cheptegei, 5000 and 10000 meter world record holder will go after Daniel Komen's 25-year old 3000 meter world record time of 7:20.67. Will he be able to do it?

Will he use Dragonflys/supershoes?

Plugging his 5000m world record into a "Purdy" calculator predicts 7:16.25.

Daniels' VDOT predicts 7:12.53.

I see some think his recent 3:37, pre-season, at altitude, is too slow. Ignoring that 3:37 is unlikely representative of his true ability, running 3000m at 7:20 only requires 3:40 speed. So the speed is there -- the question will be whether he has the stamina to extend enough of that speed for 3000m.

Running a fast 3000m also fits in with extending his current 1500m speed to longer distances in preparation for 5000m and 10000m at the Olympics.

You do not understand the sport at all. When you say that Cheptegei has the speed to run 7:20 because he can run 3:37, that is like saying Rupp has the speed to break 26 because he once barely broke 13. A high school kid who runs a 55 second 400 then has the speed to break the mile record. So what?

Brah - don't mess with the legendary Komen's record. Especially if you are using cheater shoes.

Petterss wrote:

You do not understand the sport at all. When you say that Cheptegei has the speed to run 7:20 because he can run 3:37, that is like saying Rupp has the speed to break 26 because he once barely broke 13. A high school kid who runs a 55 second 400 then has the speed to break the mile record. So what?

That's cute.

It makes little sense to talk about speed alone.

It's a rookie mistake to think he *can* only run 3:37, just because he *has* only run 3:37.

He just did it at altitude off of base training.

His goal now will be to extend the speed that he has developed, rather than increase his speed.

Indeed. This race at altitude is perhaps not very indicative of his best performance. It was run in tough conditions for sure, and so we can only hope that there are better performances to come.

5679 wrote:

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Cheptegei is probably tested as much or more than those guys. What basis do you have to say he is not?

I am saying he is.

It's Armstronglivs that is implying he would "love" the publicity like he has something to hide.

Of course you miss the point. He would enjoy the publicity as much as anyone who seeks to defend their reputation publicly when confronted by suspicions they could be doping. No court case can prove an athlete is clean. It would be no-win for Cheptegei.

5679 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Tables are works of fiction, favoured by geeks sitting at their computers. The reality is that 7.20 is a helluva time that no one has got near for 25 years. And it was doped - like all the other records. Only dope like the 90's will beat it. And Cheptegei isn't fast enough.

Tables are references used by knowledgeable people (not you) all over the world.

So tables say that Cheptegei (or someone else) will run faster? Your departure from reality is complete.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

Doping aside then, Cheptegei isn't fast enough to beat this record. It would take a 3.28 runner.

Jakob is a 3:28 runner, why can't he get it? He ran 7:26 last year and I don't think he was in top form by the time that race happened. He is going to get better, especially when it comes to his strength IMO. I don't think there's been a better prospect to beat that record in years because true 1500/5000 guys haven't really been at the top of either the 1500 and 5000. Jakob is bucking that trend.

Jakob can't get it because the record is really tough. Yet the deluded here claim it is soft - because "tables" say so.