Stop lying to yourselves about ATHING MU, she has WR potential

Armstronglivs wrote:

Sorry, no one clean beats Jarmila's record. Dopers haven't - and they've been trying for nearly 40 years.

Yeah it's this simple. There is absolutely zero chance that this record is beaten by somebody clean.

Even if you want to exclude the Eastern Bloc, these are the closest contenders and really only Jelimo threatened it.

Jelimo

Semenya

Quirot

Mutola

Ceplak

Niyonsaba

I don't think we really need to get into the details of this list do we?

Morally I would hate to see another doped record by someone doping - but I have to admit I have some curiosity to see what Mu could run with assistance because I do think she could smash this record if she had "it".

Well the only ones faster in 400m then Mu on this list are Semenya and Quirot. Semenya was over 25 years old and Quirot - 24, when they ran these times. Meanwhile Mu is 18 years old and already has that kind of speed, while trying to run good 800m. That is a clear sign to me of a different kind of talent. Or are you implying, that Mu is doped?

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

Yeah it's this simple. There is absolutely zero chance that this record is beaten by somebody clean.

Even if you want to exclude the Eastern Bloc, these are the closest contenders and really only Jelimo threatened it.

Jelimo

Semenya

Quirot

Mutola

Ceplak

Niyonsaba

I don't think we really need to get into the details of this list do we?

Morally I would hate to see another doped record by someone doping - but I have to admit I have some curiosity to see what Mu could run with assistance because I do think she could smash this record if she had "it".

Dude can you read?

"Morally I would hate to see another doped record by someone doping - but I have to admit I have some curiosity to see what Mu could run with assistance because I do think she could smash this record if she had "it"

Does not clearly imply that I think she is clean but could smash the record in the event that she would dope?

And what's the basis of your point exactly - that because she is faster over 400m than everyone except Semenya and Quirot and is so at a younger age that running the 800m WR is a foregone conclusion? Do you follow this sport bro?

I do follow the sport, as my PB in 800m is 1:54. You said it is impossible for a clean athlete to beat the doped record, which is simply not true. Cheptegei just did that last year. Mu has more talent than Semenya and Quirot together, therefore with new shoes and right pacing / wavelight shouldn't have a problem in beating that record clean within next 5 years. Talent beats dope and testosterone. You need to read more carefully, mate.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

Dude can you read?

"Morally I would hate to see another doped record by someone doping - but I have to admit I have some curiosity to see what Mu could run with assistance because I do think she could smash this record if she had "it"

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Does not clearly imply that I think she is clean but could smash the record in the event that she would dope?

And what's the basis of your point exactly - that because she is faster over 400m than everyone except Semenya and Quirot and is so at a younger age that running the 800m WR is a foregone conclusion? Do you follow this sport bro?

mu on the sauce - 1:49

VIPAM wrote:

At the time I would say Mary Decker Slaney in her first 10-12 years as DEFINITELY clean without any accusations. Athing My is more talented as Slaney and just as good of range from 400m to 5000m. Yes Athing will eventually prove she can even move up to 1500m/5000m.

ya decker was not on the juice until the iron curtain doped to the gills "women" gave no chance what so ever to a clean athlete to get on the podium.

that realization, caused guys like athletics west and salazar to figure out how to compete.

then you had the invasion of EPO, where already gifted Africans went off the charts.

that's why you have what you have.

and then corrupt wada comes to the table.

top level sports have always been disgusting morally, in part, or whole.

with football today, with the super league proposal, it is greedy sports clubs against the corrupt and greedy old guard, fighting out their "moral" stances.

this is the status quo. the more you realize it, the better things will be.

Congratulations. My PR in the event is 1.46 and I ran in semi-pro in Europe and ran in Olympic Games and a World Championships.

I agreed with another poster that in the womens 800m event it will be impossible for a clean athlete to beat the WR which was set by a woman who was part of a systematic doping regime in the 1980's. What does Joseph Cheptegei have to do with anything? Why is that information relevant? He's a male athlete who runs the 5000/10000m. We are talking the womens 800m buddy.

Mu has more talent that Semenya and Quirot together. Does she? And what basis behind that statement? Let me jump in here - you have none. At all. Talent beats dope and testosterone? Another fantastic statement of which you have no grounds for making. Tell you what, go away and work on that 1.54 and get another decade in the event under your belt before you start dropping your pants and making yourself look stupid again.

The other reason Cheptegei should not be mentioned here is there is no reason to assume that he is clean either. He might be but one would have to be a fool to assume that he is clean.

Salvitore your post is on the mark but neither of your personal bests are particularly relevant to the discussion. And certainly, as you say, one is a fool to assume that Athing is more talented than Semenya and Quirot. She might be but there is no evidence of that yet.

my 800m pr is 2:00 but i ran 1:58 in the 4x800 a few times. we have the school record.

I ran 1:56.3 in high school and 1:54 in college. I also ran in the 49-50 range in the 400 in high school. I was mainly a basketball player and ran my times on training for track from late January through May. I expected to go under 1:50 in college but had a hard time adjusting to cross country/high mileage/based training. Given the similarity of our times and the assumption that she has better training than I did, I believe she definitely has world record potential.

Give her a little time but if she gets into a race where the opening pace is 55-56 and she's able to draft off the leaders she'll break the record. It may not happen this year but I could see her doing it in the future. Also, I could see her breaking the record if she decided to take it out herself. She is talented enough to do it either way.

Congratulations to you too. Cheptegei is relevant, because he is clean whereas Bekele was not. You are the one saying that it is impossible to be clean and beat world records, with which I disagree. There is always someone with more talent that comes around and does the "impossible". Van Niekerk, Rudisha, Tsegay, only to name a few. Dibaba was probably doped too, but for sure less than Younxia Qu, as she had more talent. Regarding talent: 18 year old female Athing Mu ran 50.52 400m indoors, as well as 49.6 in relay. Now remind me, how fast did you run 400m indoors, mr. 1:46? One more time for you, so it can maybe get through your thick scull:World leader in women 800m 18 year old Athing Mu has run 50.52 400m and 49.6 relay indoors. Show me another example of such talent in women 800m.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

Congratulations. My PR in the event is 1.46 and I ran in semi-pro in Europe and ran in Olympic Games and a World Championships.

I agreed with another poster that in the womens 800m event it will be impossible for a clean athlete to beat the WR which was set by a woman who was part of a systematic doping regime in the 1980's. What does Joseph Cheptegei have to do with anything? Why is that information relevant? He's a male athlete who runs the 5000/10000m. We are talking the womens 800m buddy.

Mu has more talent that Semenya and Quirot together. Does she? And what basis behind that statement? Let me jump in here - you have none. At all. Talent beats dope and testosterone? Another fantastic statement of which you have no grounds for making. Tell you what, go away and work on that 1.54 and get another decade in the event under your belt before you start dropping your pants and making yourself look stupid again.

Again you do not know that Cheptegei is clean. Please stop with your ignorance.

my two pennies wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I think good pacing to 600 would do it. Very few 800 records have been set off a negative split (that I am aware of - maybe just Ryun's 1.44.9 half in 1966). To break a record that is nearly 40 years old - and more than 4 seconds faster than her present best - would probably require a positive split. My pick would be 56s for the first lap and 1.24 to the 600. The last 200 is run on strength and willpower to finish at 1.53.

She probably has the core speed but it would take a huge increase in endurance to drop nearly 5 seconds on where she is now. Anything is possible, but I don't see it in a clean athlete - however talented. Massive improvements are for dopers. I still go with 1.55.

The current 1:53 record was set off a negative split.

By a clean runner?

Naive post of the day.

flvmmox wrote:

mu on the sauce - 1:49

Mu on the sauce 1.54.

I think mu will run 1:54 next year

VIPAM wrote:

At the time I would say Mary Decker Slaney in her first 10-12 years as DEFINITELY clean without any accusations. Athing My is more talented as Slaney and just as good of range from 400m to 5000m. Yes Athing will eventually prove she can even move up to 1500m/5000m.

You think an 18-year-old girl who just ran 1:57 should move up to the 5,000? lmao