King Ches

According to Ches, he was 19 years and 4 months old when he graduated. Please provide your source that 13% of kids are that age when they graduate high school. I have coached hundreds of kids and have not had 1 kid that old.

As an aside, most people think that he was 1 year older than he claims.

taller than a runner wrote:

According to Ches, he was 19 years and 4 months old when he graduated. Please provide your source that 13% of kids are that age when they graduate high school. I have coached hundreds of kids and have not had 1 kid that old.

My brother was... hyperactive kid held back in kindergarten... happens quite often.

Lukas V would have been... international curriculums often cause age differences.

taller than a runner wrote:

As an aside, most people think that he was 1 year older than he claims.

“Most people”.... “think”....

great evidence, chief

How about some evidence that 13% of HS grads are 19 years 4 months old? I estimate it to be 1%.

It's probably been discussed and I missed it but I never understood how having ran at Oregon that he didn't sign with Nike. Has the story ever come out on what truly led to the Skechers decision?

golden boy wrote:

How about some evidence that 13% of HS grads are 19 years 4 months old? I estimate it to be 1%.

Lots of kids are a year older than "normal" when they graduate high school. Drew Hunter for example was born in 1997 and graduated in 2016. He was only a few months younger than Ches, and nobody seems to have a problem with him.

Hunter was born in September. He was 18 when he would have started college. Ches turned 19 before outdoor season of high school. I have coached for 10 years and never had 1 kid who was 19 years and 4 months old at the end of season.

Acoa wrote:

Hunter was born in September. He was 18 when he would have started college. Ches turned 19 before outdoor season of high school. I have coached for 10 years and never had 1 kid who was 19 years and 4 months old at the end of season.

I mean if we really want to split hairs, most colleges start a few days after September 5th. My point is that Ches and Hunter were both a year behind their peers. It's really not as egregious or as uncommon as you think it is.

Yes it is. Hunter was in the correct grade. If you are saying that Hunter was a year older than his peers, then you are saying that Ches was 1 year and 7 months older than his. I have coached 1000 boys and have not had any as old as Ches. So when you claim that it is more common than I think, you are wrong. I also follow high school and college running closely and I am unaware of any other high profile runners as old as Ches. Please provide the names of even 5 if you think it is so common. You will find Maton and Slagowski and guys like that who were not as old as Ches. You can keep shooting from the hip, but you are incorrect.

Acoa wrote:

Yes it is. Hunter was in the correct grade. If you are saying that Hunter was a year older than his peers, then you are saying that Ches was 1 year and 7 months older than his. I have coached 1000 boys and have not had any as old as Ches. So when you claim that it is more common than I think, you are wrong. I also follow high school and college running closely and I am unaware of any other high profile runners as old as Ches. Please provide the names of even 5 if you think it is so common. You will find Maton and Slagowski and guys like that who were not as old as Ches. You can keep shooting from the hip, but you are incorrect.

I'm not really sure what your point is. It's pretty obvious that there are many runners that are a year behind in school like Hunter, Maton, Slagowski, and Ches.

For example, Maton would have been only a month younger than Ches. Is that a huge difference in your mind?

Ches is the oldest in his grade of any distance runner that I am aware of. He was more than 1 year older than Fisher was. He was more than 1 year older than Ryun was. Fisher ran 13:30 his freshman year. Imagine if he did that in high school. Ryun set the world records in the 1/2 and mile while he would have been in high school had he been held back a year. Now do you see why Chex dominated so much?

taller than a runner wrote:

Ches is the oldest in his grade of any distance runner that I am aware of. He was more than 1 year older than Fisher was. He was more than 1 year older than Ryun was. Fisher ran 13:30 his freshman year. Imagine if he did that in high school. Ryun set the world records in the 1/2 and mile while he would have been in high school had he been held back a year. Now do you see why Chex dominated so much?

The same argument could be made for Hunter, Maton, Slagowski, etc. Yet I never see that argument.

You're actually correct, perhaps one of the reasons why Hunter was running 3:57 for the mile in high school is because he's actually a year older than everyone else.

Age at graduation:

Bryan Dameworth 19 years + 9 months

Adam Goucher 19 years + 9 months

Mebrathom Keflizeghi 19 years + 1 month

Age cheats have been dominating high school distance running for decades.

Meb and Goucher were both younger than Ches. I couldn't find birthdate for Dameworth.

down a few notches wrote:

EgoHit wrote:

Aw, c'mon now. I love bashing on people just as much as anyone, but like ya'll don't have an off day every now and then?

Crazy to me that people make all these baseless assumptions from one DNF. He ran 27:23 in 2020!

Yup 27:23. Losing to Jenkins, and is 12 seconds back of Fisher, 11 behind Kincaid, 9 behind True, and even behind Tuntivate.

Fact of the matter is that he was already a 25 yr old +/- adult running with 18-19 yr old boys in college. He just didn't have much more room to improve.

The actual fact is that he was a 19-year-old running with 18- and 19-year-olds.

The other actual fact is that you're a moron.

At least get your facts right. He turned 20 during his indoor season freshmen year while many freshmen competed their entire indoor and outdoor seasons as 18 year olds. The top freshman now is Nico Young. He will be 18 all the way through the season and Olympic Trials.

golden boy wrote:

At least get your facts right. He turned 20 during his indoor season freshmen year while many freshmen competed their entire indoor and outdoor seasons as 18 year olds. The top freshman now is Nico Young. He will be 18 all the way through the season and Olympic Trials.

Nobody should believe he is actually the age that's listed for him. Kenyan athletes never have accurate ages.

The fact that he hasn't developed after college is proof that he was a lot older than listed.

Bump.

Rojo - curious what your feeling is on your saucy proposal after Fisher went 13:02.53. I'm not sure who I'd choose, but curious what your hot take is now.

In the Grant Fisher 5000m AR thread you seemed to want it both ways - acknowledging the accomplishment, offering surprise and admitting to his talent. But also finding any angle to undercut the performance with non sequiturs and associating True as some sort of lower credibility for running 13:02.

I think a majority of your opinions are garbarge: overloaded with weird emotional bias and the desire to show you have your finger on the pulse, but it always seems like it's your own thumb that's doing the beating.

First of all, Ches was way closer to 27 than 19 in high school. Show me any proof at all that he was only 19 - it doesn't exist.

Maton, Rupp, LV, Ches, Pepiot were all over-age in high school or when they started at Oregon. That place is ridiculous with the pharmaceuticals, age cheating, home stadium for every national meet.

He's filthy wrote:

First of all, Ches was way closer to 27 than 19 in high school. Show me any proof at all that he was only 19 - it doesn't exist.

Maton, Rupp, LV, Ches, Pepiot were all over-age in high school or when they started at Oregon. That place is ridiculous with the pharmaceuticals, age cheating, home stadium for every national meet.

Why not say 28 or 29 or THIRTTTTY?! Criminy!

The age discussion was and remains sooooo 10 years ago. Not really sure why it matters at this point - the beaten horse is dead. Sure, I don't doubt he was a little old, much like his other Ducks. That's just how life goes in the unfair world that is *amatuer* athletics.