Not Kidding: 4 GUYS BREAK 58:00!!! 57:32 half marathon world record

5t5thh wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Coached by Joseph Cheromei, the same guy who coached Vincent Yator - banned for four years this April for doping.

Utter insanity indeed.

Your point being?

I coach a number of runners and have no idea whether any of them is doping. How could I?

How could you?

As for the massive drop in time, were you also up in arms when Coe lowered Juantoarena's record by 1 sec? And then proceeded to lower it by another 0.7 sec?

Outliers exist, and it's not like Kamworor ran his 58:01 under ideal conditions.

I would even go as far as saying that he was in better shape in Cardiff and under today's conditions he could have run a similar time - mid 57s

Valencia caught Kiptum, so it's not like they are protecting anyone.

If these guys are doping then they will be caught.

I don't like the new shoe technology but I accept it for what it is and I've just learnt how to enjoy the sport this way.

It was a great race.

Charlesvdw wrote:

5t5thh wrote:

Your point being?

I coach a number of runners and have no idea whether any of them is doping. How could I?

How could you?

As for the massive drop in time, were you also up in arms when Coe lowered Juantoarena's record by 1 sec? And then proceeded to lower it by another 0.7 sec?

Outliers exist, and it's not like Kamworor ran his 58:01 under ideal conditions.

I would even go as far as saying that he was in better shape in Cardiff and under today's conditions he could have run a similar time - mid 57s

Valencia caught Kiptum, so it's not like they are protecting anyone.

If these guys are doping then they will be caught.

I don't like the new shoe technology but I accept it for what it is and I've just learnt how to enjoy the sport this way.

It was a great race.

I agree.

And if Tadese could run 58.23 in 2010 , is it so unreal that the WR 10 years later, in ideal circumstances, with athletes pushing each other to the limit, and with superior shoes, can be lowered by almost a minute ?

Tororo Hunter wrote:

5t5thh wrote:

Outliers exist, and it's not like Kamworor ran his 58:01 under ideal conditions.

I would even go as far as saying that he was in better shape in Cardiff and under today's conditions he could have run a similar time - mid 57s

Valencia caught Kiptum, so it's not like they are protecting anyone.

Kibiwott Kandie is a very special talent indeed. He went from being the only man to ever run 3 sub 59 minute half marathons in a season to become a 4 sub 59 minute half marathoner within 12 months! At the world half marathon he made the mistakes most novices make by making several surges early in the race which wore most of his energy off. Had he run an even pace, the gold was his.

That said, Kamworor is still the undisputed half marathon king. Had he been in this and healthy, 57:20 was possible. I hope he gets an opportunity in 2021 to "dance" with the new kids on the block.

drugs drugs drugs bs bs bs bs on and on wrote:

Bluesky wrote:

Yes good point here!!!

1) Let's take sprint 100 /200/ 400/ and add 800 metres. Imagine 4 guys broke an already strong WR, or IF at almost at every golden league or Worls championship we have World record broken!! World record has always been one of a kind unique performance. And this also in distance running or road running but since a few years everything changed dramatically , almost at every big race a WR has been broken.At the same time in the last few years we had Kenyans runners banned for doping like we have never seen in history of the sport. Now already with this facts someone can do 2+2=4.

But let's go back to sprint .If I want I can have 4 people break a WR!!! How ?? I will push to the limits the use of peds specific for sprint races.. The big problem is that the peds that really improve sprint races or long jump or Throwing event are different from the peds needed to improve in distance running. And MORE DIFFICULT TO HIDE TO ANTIDOPING at least with big dosage needed to improve the performance. It s not a case that many records in those event are still from another era . Where those substances were commonly used.

Then we arrive at EPO era and everything changed forever in distance running.BREAK A WORLD RECORD is NO MORE A UNIQUE OR AN AWESOME PERFORMANCE, OF SOME FREAK OF NATURE GIFTED RUNNER ,BUT IS NOW AN ORDINARY THING IT CAN HAPPEN AT EVERY RACE BY EVERY TOP RUNNER IN THE RACE .

This Epo is more difficult to find and more easy to cover up. You can microdose it and have the benefit for many weeks. IT MAKES YOU TO RUN SMOOTH as I heard some africans runners say.

Shut up with the drug nonsense. This ridiculous belief that drugs can increase energy output is the most dreadful pseudoscience.

Please all of you, stop with this idiotic rhetoric.

Coevett wrote:

I feel sorry for the rivals of your athletes. In fact I feel sorry for your athletes as it sounds as though they are kids

5t5thh wrote:

You know nothing about my runners. You don't know about their margins for improvement - obviously different for the girl running for 6 months and at 23 5k and the guy with a sub 31 10k at 22.

Coevett wrote:

It's relevant that just two years ago another Kenyan produced a hard to believe performance and was busted, and it's relevant that after 100+ busts there is a demonstrated rampant doping culture in Kenyan distance running.

5t5thh wrote:

Kiptum got busted. So if these guys are doping they will get busted. What is your point? I have already pointed it out.

Coevett wrote:

I feel sorry for the rivals of your athletes. In fact I feel sorry for your athletes as it sounds as though they are kids and they have a LetsRun doping apologist as a coach.

5t5thh wrote:

I hope dopers are caught.

DanM wrote:

newredsun wrote:

Legions of fans who loved baseball growing up because of the mystique of the records, history and tradition lost interest, including me, when big numbers of players including infielders started to suddenly challenge records that usually held up for decades until the next bona fide great ones came along.

Roger Clemens throwing heat near age forty was like a runner that age running a 9.6 for the 100 meters.

Track and Field/Running has been sliding for quite a while due to the dope but the sudden fall of records in the 5000/10K and half looks an awful lot the Maguire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens....era.

Who can really get excited?

Complete Games leaders 1968

Marichal SFG 30

Gibson STL 28

McLain DET 28

Jenkins CHC 20

Tiant CLE 19

Perry SFG 19

Stottlemyre NYY 19

McNally BAL 18

Koosman NYM 17

Hardin BAL 16

Complete Games leaders 2019

Bieber CLE 3

Giolito CHW 3

Minor TEX 2

Eflin PHI 2

Leake 2TM 2

Verlander HOU 2

Nova CHW 2

Buehler LAD 2

Charlesvdw wrote:

5t5thh wrote:

Your point being?

I coach a number of runners and have no idea whether any of them is doping. How could I?

How could you?

As for the massive drop in time, were you also up in arms when Coe lowered Juantoarena's record by 1 sec? And then proceeded to lower it by another 0.7 sec?

Outliers exist, and it's not like Kamworor ran his 58:01 under ideal conditions.

I would even go as far as saying that he was in better shape in Cardiff and under today's conditions he could have run a similar time - mid 57s

Valencia caught Kiptum, so it's not like they are protecting anyone.

If these guys are doping then they will be caught.

I don't like the new shoe technology but I accept it for what it is and I've just learnt how to enjoy the sport this way.

It was a great race.

I agree.

And if Tadese could run 58.23 in 2010 , is it so unreal that the WR 10 years later, in ideal circumstances, with athletes pushing each other to the limit, and with superior shoes, can be lowered by almost a minute ?