Put another way, why don't NASA and others, including high school astronomy clubs focus their telescopes on the moon and prove to everyone that the leftover garbage is still up there? If this were possible, there'd be hundreds of Youtube videos of people doing exactly this. Instead, there are zero such videos.
Do people like you just say things they hope are true?
NASA has dozens of photos from lunar orbiters of the landing sites
If the entire argument is whether NASA lied, why would you think that relying on imagery produced by or in cooperation with the accused would settle the matter?
1) No world leader since December, 1972 has risked the health of a countryman through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
2) No world leader prior to President Richard Nixon risked the health of a countryman through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
3) I am supposed to believe President Nixon risked the health of U.S. citizens for no logical reason, flying U.S. citizens through Van Allen Radiation Belt supposed six times, 1969 to December, 1972?
I have you, an anonymous poster acting as if you know. You may be a dentist or m.d., but you are in over your head.
Again - the van allen belt is not particularly dangerous to transit. You would not want to orbit there for a month, but moving through it will not harm you any more than spending a few years as an airline pilot would
It can be navigated around. The belt is not a uniform blanket around the earth - it's more of a donut. It is quite possible to choose an escape trajectory that avoids them or minimizes exposure to them
I asked ChatGPT how thick the walls of a spaceship would need to be if made from lead to safely pass through the Van Allen belts. This is its response: I can provide a rough range based on existing knowledge and radiation attenuation properties. Considering the relatively low stopping power of lead against high-energy particles in the Van Allen belts, a thickness in the range of several meters to tens of meters may be necessary to achieve some degree of particle flux reduction.
lol. As a teenager I visited and touched one of the actual landers at the Smithsonian in DC. It was about as heavy duty as an Oldsmobile.
Why don't you ask chatGPT exactly what the maximum and average radiation fluxes are inside the belt? Then you can compare it to radiation exposure guidelines and make your own judgment. I can assure you that you would not need ten meters of lead to block it. The bunkers at Trinity were thinner than that, and nobody inside them died despite the Trinity blast being orders of magnitude more intense.
You can't get past irrefutable fact. We did go to the moon. You are truly certifiable.
What's with you using "We"?
The US, demonstrating their intellectual superiority compared to the rest of the world, sent men to the moon, not New Aussieland or wherever you're from.
You guys probably still think it's made out of sheep's cheese.
I know "we", meaning man, landed there. That is apparently beyond most Americans to understand now.
If the entire argument is whether NASA lied, why would you think that relying on imagery produced by or in cooperation with the accused would settle the matter?
You: “Put another way, why don't NASA and others” show evidence.
Wait, I point out that you posted that and you object, saying that you didn't post that but rather YOU did?!?
WTF?
You didn't point out I posted it. You can't write, either.
This is EXACTLY what I posted:
"Funny that you post this, literally the next post after Armstrong posts: From the above. "A final nail in the coffin of the Moon hoax theories is a simple instrument installed 50 years ago by Apollo 11. During their day on the Moon, Armstrong and Aldrin planted a lunar laser ranging retroreflector array on the surface. It’s still operational today, and allows us to reflect lasers off of it and measure the distance to the Moon down to the centimetre. We simply couldn’t do this if we hadn’t visited the Moon"
Now seriously, apologize and admit you made a silly error.
ChatGPT won't give me a straight answer. The nature of the radiation in the belt is different (much more hazardous) from the cosmic radiation that pilots are exposed to in the atmosphere. Plus it blathers on about the extreme variability in the density of electron flux, proton flux, and energy levels of both, which apparently can vary by a couple orders of magnitude. However, I did ask it if 4 hours in the Van Allen belts would be more or less exposure than 20 years of work as a commercial pilot and it said, to paraphrase, more.
It can be navigated around. The belt is not a uniform blanket around the earth - it's more of a donut. It is quite possible to choose an escape trajectory that avoids them or minimizes exposure to them
I asked ChatGPT how thick the walls of a spaceship would need to be if made from lead to safely pass through the Van Allen belts. This is its response: I can provide a rough range based on existing knowledge and radiation attenuation properties. Considering the relatively low stopping power of lead against high-energy particles in the Van Allen belts, a thickness in the range of several meters to tens of meters may be necessary to achieve some degree of particle flux reduction.
lol. As a teenager I visited and touched one of the actual landers at the Smithsonian in DC. It was about as heavy duty as an Oldsmobile.
You are claiming that ChatGPT is a reliable source on these topics.
So, I asked ChatGPT is humans ever landed on the moon. This is its response:
"Yes, humans have indeed landed on the moon. The first manned mission to the moon took place on July 20, 1969, as part of NASA's Apollo 11 mission. Astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first and second humans, respectively, to set foot on the lunar surface. Armstrong famously said, "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." Several other manned missions followed, with a total of six Apollo missions successfully landing astronauts on the moon between 1969 and 1972."
If the entire argument is whether NASA lied, why would you think that relying on imagery produced by or in cooperation with the accused would settle the matter?
You: “Put another way, why don't NASA and others” show evidence.
Me: evidence from NASA and others
You: No wait! Never mind!!
This is why I included 'and others, such as high school astronomy clubs', because, obviously, once a liar, always a liar so who would believe anything NASA produces. A completely independent 3rd party is what is required. At this point, I'd likely only believe if both the Chinese and Russian produced such imagery. In this case, I would still believe that all pictures and video evidence was faked, because you'd have to be a moron to believe that garbage. And, I would still think that NASA are beyond incompetent for losing every second of telemetry data from all five missions.
I asked ChatGPT how thick the walls of a spaceship would need to be if made from lead to safely pass through the Van Allen belts. This is its response: I can provide a rough range based on existing knowledge and radiation attenuation properties. Considering the relatively low stopping power of lead against high-energy particles in the Van Allen belts, a thickness in the range of several meters to tens of meters may be necessary to achieve some degree of particle flux reduction.
lol. As a teenager I visited and touched one of the actual landers at the Smithsonian in DC. It was about as heavy duty as an Oldsmobile.
You are claiming that ChatGPT is a reliable source on these topics.
So, I asked ChatGPT is humans ever landed on the moon. This is its response:
"Yes, humans have indeed landed on the moon. The first manned mission to the moon took place on July 20, 1969, as part of NASA's Apollo 11 mission. Astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first and second humans, respectively, to set foot on the lunar surface. Armstrong famously said, "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." Several other manned missions followed, with a total of six Apollo missions successfully landing astronauts on the moon between 1969 and 1972."
Yeah, in ships made with lead walls 10 meters thick. lol
You didn't point out I posted it. You can't write, either.
This is EXACTLY what I posted:
"Funny that you post this, literally the next post after Armstrong posts: From the above. "A final nail in the coffin of the Moon hoax theories is a simple instrument installed 50 years ago by Apollo 11. During their day on the Moon, Armstrong and Aldrin planted a lunar laser ranging retroreflector array on the surface. It’s still operational today, and allows us to reflect lasers off of it and measure the distance to the Moon down to the centimetre. We simply couldn’t do this if we hadn’t visited the Moon"
Now seriously, apologize and admit you made a silly error.
Thanks.
Putting my user name in bold doesn't help you. You can't write and you're a moron.
1) No world leader since December, 1972 has risked the health of a countryman through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
2) No world leader prior to President Richard Nixon risked the health of a countryman through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
3) I am supposed to believe President Nixon risked the health of U.S. citizens for no logical reason, flying U.S. citizens through Van Allen Radiation Belt supposed six times, 1969 to December, 1972?
I have you, an anonymous poster acting as if you know. You may be a dentist or m.d., but you are in over your head.
Again - the van allen belt is not particularly dangerous to transit. You would not want to orbit there for a month, but moving through it will not harm you any more than spending a few years as an airline pilot would
In order to attempt to convince yourself that humans have travelled in moon's orbit and walked on the moon, you and others have no choice but to be Van Allen Radiation Belt deceivers.
* You agree by default that no world leader post-December, 1972 has forced a countryman through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
* You agree by default, 135 space shuttle missions lead by U.S. Presidents and leaders of other nations, no world leader during space shuttle era, 1981 through 2011 sent a man or woman through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
* Without listing your natural science formal education and natural science research, you want readers of this website to believe travelling through Van Allen Radiation Belt is safe.
Primates have not even travelled through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
Far more likely a conspiracy in JFK killing than faux moon landing conspiracy.
1) Conspiracy in JFK would have meant maybe a couple dozen people in government who were trained in cloak and dagger mystery and covert assassinations. Coming forward would be admitting involvement in capital murder.
2) Multiple faux moon landings would be a conspiracy of hundreds of people. There would not be a downside for some individuals to come forward.
To point 2), this is the common piece of circumstantial evidence that is always used - the "hundreds of people would have had to have known and that's impossible to keep quiet" argument/evidence.
But would it really? Let's assume for a second it's all a sham. Let's assume that it was a brilliant piece of propaganda that demoralized the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War and gave Americans a massive rush of patriotic pride that helped drag the nation out of depression. I'm not saying it is, but let's assume this.
Say 200 people really knew - which is a lot. What number of that 200 do you need to come out with the exact same story (ie. that it was staged) before you can overcome the emotional hook with the average American created by the lie? Because if one person does it they get called a nutjob, a traitor and a communist sympathizer. If 10 people do it - the exact same thing. In fact I would venture to say that even if 25% of those 200 people decided to "tell the truth" they would get sh-tcanned enough to the point that really there is almost zero incentive to even bother in the first place. The bottom line is this - I don't believe there is any number of people who "knew" who could reasonably come out and have a version of events different to what is believed as one the greatest technological achievements in the history of humankind without being absolutely stomped on by either NASA who need/ed to justify how 25 billion dollars (or 195 billion today) of taxpayer $$$ was spent or a staunch patriotic wave of public belief.
I mean jesus christ, anyone that even asks a legitimate question like "so how come we could do this in the 60s and not now?" or "the furthest we have sent a living human from the earth in the last 50 years is 240 miles (the ISS) and the moon is 240'000 miles - doesn't that seem weird?" immediately get's labelled a conspiracy theory nutter - you don't think that was the case multiplied by 100 back in the 60's and 70's when really an alternative truth needed to come out before it became simply became a flagship moment in American (and world) history?
Of course now NASA has project Artemis (), a lot of this will be put to bed right? With the technology at their disposal now - infinitely more advanced and powerful than 50 years ago, putting someone back on the moon should actually be a rudimentary exercise. A lot of people argued that the reason why NASA hadn't sent anyone back to the moon in over 50 years was because of lack of incentive but now thankfully there is one - equality and diversity, as we now have to get a women and person of color up there to scope things out. Stay tuned as we go back to the moon and bury these conspiracy theorists once and for all.
ChatGPT won't give me a straight answer. The nature of the radiation in the belt is different (much more hazardous) from the cosmic radiation that pilots are exposed to in the atmosphere. Plus it blathers on about the extreme variability in the density of electron flux, proton flux, and energy levels of both, which apparently can vary by a couple orders of magnitude. However, I did ask it if 4 hours in the Van Allen belts would be more or less exposure than 20 years of work as a commercial pilot and it said, to paraphrase, more.
Maybe you shouldn't be talking to chatGPT about it then. Can you explain how the nature of the radiation flux is different in the van alen belt is different from the flux in the atmosphere, and can you provide measurements? If you can't, I can look them up for you and give you a summary.
"Funny that you post this, literally the next post after Armstrong posts: From the above. "A final nail in the coffin of the Moon hoax theories is a simple instrument installed 50 years ago by Apollo 11. During their day on the Moon, Armstrong and Aldrin planted a lunar laser ranging retroreflector array on the surface. It’s still operational today, and allows us to reflect lasers off of it and measure the distance to the Moon down to the centimetre. We simply couldn’t do this if we hadn’t visited the Moon"
Now seriously, apologize and admit you made a silly error.
Thanks.
Putting my user name in bold doesn't help you. You can't write and you're a moron.
OK, so you are either a troll or have an IQ under 50. Either way, not worth communicating with.
You are claiming that ChatGPT is a reliable source on these topics.
So, I asked ChatGPT is humans ever landed on the moon. This is its response:
"Yes, humans have indeed landed on the moon. The first manned mission to the moon took place on July 20, 1969, as part of NASA's Apollo 11 mission. Astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin became the first and second humans, respectively, to set foot on the lunar surface. Armstrong famously said, "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." Several other manned missions followed, with a total of six Apollo missions successfully landing astronauts on the moon between 1969 and 1972."
Yeah, in ships made with lead walls 10 meters thick. lol
So, you are using ChatGPT as your source. And then laughing at ChatGPT's responses.
In order to attempt to convince yourself that humans have travelled in moon's orbit and walked on the moon, you and others have no choice but to be Van Allen Radiation Belt deceivers.
* You agree by default that no world leader post-December, 1972 has forced a countryman through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
* You agree by default, 135 space shuttle missions lead by U.S. Presidents and leaders of other nations, no world leader during space shuttle era, 1981 through 2011 sent a man or woman through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
* Without listing your natural science formal education and natural science research, you want readers of this website to believe travelling through Van Allen Radiation Belt is safe.
Primates have not even travelled through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
I do agree that no human has passed through the van allen belt since 1972 (at least, not to my knowledge). There have been no manned missions that have gone that far out. That certainly does not mean that it is impossible or that it has not been done before.
I don't see a need to list my education credentials. Everything I have said is basic textbook science. Evaluate the strengh of my argument, not the strength of my diploma. You can follow the links I have posted if you'd like to understand the things I've said
In order to attempt to convince yourself that humans have travelled in moon's orbit and walked on the moon, you and others have no choice but to be Van Allen Radiation Belt deceivers.
* You agree by default that no world leader post-December, 1972 has forced a countryman through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
* You agree by default, 135 space shuttle missions lead by U.S. Presidents and leaders of other nations, no world leader during space shuttle era, 1981 through 2011 sent a man or woman through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
* Without listing your natural science formal education and natural science research, you want readers of this website to believe travelling through Van Allen Radiation Belt is safe.
Primates have not even travelled through Van Allen Radiation Belt.
I do agree that no human has passed through the van allen belt since 1972 (at least, not to my knowledge). There have been no manned missions that have gone that far out. That certainly does not mean that it is impossible or that it has not been done before.
I don't see a need to list my education credentials. Everything I have said is basic textbook science. Evaluate the strengh of my argument, not the strength of my diploma. You can follow the links I have posted if you'd like to understand the things I've said
Even forgetting radiation belts etc, do you agree that 238,646 miles seems like a really long way to go in terms of how far we have sent humans from the earth since 1972 and where NASA plans to send them (back) now? (That's the difference between the ISS from the earths surface - 254 miles, and the distance to the moon - 238,900 miles).
I do agree that no human has passed through the van allen belt since 1972 (at least, not to my knowledge). There have been no manned missions that have gone that far out. That certainly does not mean that it is impossible or that it has not been done before.
I don't see a need to list my education credentials. Everything I have said is basic textbook science. Evaluate the strengh of my argument, not the strength of my diploma. You can follow the links I have posted if you'd like to understand the things I've said
Even forgetting radiation belts etc, do you agree that 238,646 miles seems like a really long way to go in terms of how far we have sent humans from the earth since 1972 and where NASA plans to send them (back) now? (That's the difference between the ISS from the earths surface - 254 miles, and the distance to the moon - 238,900 miles).
Asking for a friend.
You're correct. However, that fact is totally arbitrary and has no bearing on the feasibility of the trip. There is precious little in between 245mi out and 238646mi out that would interest a manned mission
Yeah, in ships made with lead walls 10 meters thick. lol
So, you are using ChatGPT as your source. And then laughing at ChatGPT's responses.
Sounds like a great source you've got there!
No, I'm laughing at you. ChatGPT is just a thing. But it has access to nearly every public source. Which answer it chooses is up to its algorithms and its coaching, thus the response you got. It has been proven to tow the government lines when it comes to any remotely controversial subject. Asking it direct questions on controversial topics just gets you a CNN response, exactly they way it has been coached to do.
