High noon tomorrow is a big moment with the groundbreaking report being published by the governing body.
Everyone get some shut eye tonight. Tomorrow’s going to be heavy duty.
This thread was originally titled, "Incredible development in the $612,000 Transcon Goodge run, currently ongoing" but the new title is more descriptive. The description of the run is here.
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BoogerJohnson wrote:
High noon tomorrow is a big moment with the groundbreaking report being published by the governing body.
Everyone get some shut eye tonight. Tomorrow’s going to be heavy duty.HIGH NOON WHAT TIME ZONE? ISN'T WILLVLC IN THE UK? IS THAT GMT? THATS LIKE IN 7 HOURS. I CANT GO TO SLEEP!
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diamondhands wrote:
HIGH NOON WHAT TIME ZONE? ISN'T WILLVLC IN THE UK? IS THAT GMT? THATS LIKE IN 7 HOURS. I CANT GO TO SLEEP!
I think he said noon his time which is UTC -05:00 for EDT. So yes! You are right! I am really hoping we get something other than heartrate stuff. Not because I don't appreciate that effort, I just want more!
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I think that "sneakers is on the ground" is the police officer that's commenting on the Facebook group.
Started off with a fairly inocculous "I was there, this is what I saw" - nothing too bad, but has since lost it on every post Willvc makes, hoping we rely on his role as a policeman to believe what he's saying lol
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That's not a cut dude. Come on. I was meaning that they don't take a cut of the money people raise. Every charity place for every marathon in the world has to be paid to the organisers. Of you want to celebrate the little wins, feel free, but we're talking about different things. Boston Marathon charity places cost 455 bucks.
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diamondhands wrote:
BoogerJohnson wrote:
High noon tomorrow is a big moment with the groundbreaking report being published by the governing body.
Everyone get some shut eye tonight. Tomorrow’s going to be heavy duty.HIGH NOON WHAT TIME ZONE? ISN'T WILLVLC IN THE UK? IS THAT GMT? THATS LIKE IN 7 HOURS. I CANT GO TO SLEEP!
A nice relaxing cup of Nucalm will sort you out
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appropriate language wrote:
This has rather been lost in the recent avalanche of posts, but I'd like an answer to the "day 26 problem" I raised earlier.
So still no solution to the Day 26 problem? Note that Will C explicitly mentions being there that day and gives it a clean bill of health, see post #606.
As this apparently invalidates the entire heart rate anomaly theory I'm surprised there's no reaction. Or maybe I'm not.
Note I'm not saying this means WG isn't cheating, or he isn't a knob. But I am saying it shows his HR drops while under observation, meaning all the HR analysis has been a total waste of time.
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Mickey Mouse Double Threshold wrote:
I think that "sneakers is on the ground" is the police officer that's commenting on the Facebook group.
Started off with a fairly inocculous "I was there, this is what I saw" - nothing too bad, but has since lost it on every post Willvc makes, hoping we rely on his role as a policeman to believe what he's saying lol
Anyone else saw the youtube clip with Will C and thought that Goodge and the crew was incredibly arrogant and douches? They made a mockery of Will C for running up and down the road, is he not allowed to workout too? And then mocking the police officer mimicking him like he was a simpleton/retard and stating that he was "such a nice guy". That made me think that they are complete dickheads. That doesn't mean that they are cheating but I am leaning that way now.
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Sneakers On The Ground wrote:
The latest from Will Cockrell's Jogle Facebook comments between him and a Goodge crew member. I told you it was Cockrell's dangerous driving that endangered the group in my now deleted comment.
James Tregaskis
Let this be my first and last public comment on this matter.
Will, we tolerated your presence whilst you were here with an open mind ...
This frustration comes from the fact that we are 6 honest, integral, hard working people trying to do a good thing.
you came up with an unlikely and dishonest scenario which is convincing no one. will cockerell is a big old geek but trying to find justification for abusing him and chucking a rock at his car is pathetic.
feeling the need to describe yourself and your pals as "honest, integral, [sic] hard working people" is pitiful too. come on!
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appropriate language wrote:
appropriate language wrote:
This has rather been lost in the recent avalanche of posts, but I'd like an answer to the "day 26 problem" I raised earlier.
So still no solution to the Day 26 problem? Note that Will C explicitly mentions being there that day and gives it a clean bill of health, see post #606.
As this apparently invalidates the entire heart rate anomaly theory I'm surprised there's no reaction. Or maybe I'm not.
Note I'm not saying this means WG isn't cheating, or he isn't a knob. But I am saying it shows his HR drops while under observation, meaning all the HR analysis has been a total waste of time.
Well caught. There's even a period of him running low 5 minute Ks at 115 bpm. This is on Day 26 when Will C was monitoring - data Will C has said was 'clean' per #606.
In Will C's own words:
"Upon my departure, should you see his speeds pick up again and heart rate drop, to a very low, physiologically impossible BPM, please question it loudly, and do not, I repeat NOT, simply write it off as a "tech fail". This is what they want you to believe. For those unclear, this includes Kms of sub 6 minutes under 150 bpm, sub 7 minutes under 140bpm, and sub 8 under 130bpm. In particular, look out for Kms in the 90-120bpm range when the subject is claimed to be running. This is clearly not possible, and is most certainly NOT a tech fail."40 -
bedsbucks wrote:
appropriate language wrote:
So still no solution to the Day 26 problem? Note that Will C explicitly mentions being there that day and gives it a clean bill of health, see post #606.
As this apparently invalidates the entire heart rate anomaly theory I'm surprised there's no reaction. Or maybe I'm not.
Note I'm not saying this means WG isn't cheating, or he isn't a knob. But I am saying it shows his HR drops while under observation, meaning all the HR analysis has been a total waste of time.
Well caught. There's even a period of him running low 5 minute Ks at 115 bpm. This is on Day 26 when Will C was monitoring - data Will C has said was 'clean' per #606.In Will C's own words:
"Upon my departure, should you see his speeds pick up again and heart rate drop, to a very low, physiologically impossible BPM, please question it loudly, and do not, I repeat NOT, simply write it off as a "tech fail". This is what they want you to believe. For those unclear, this includes Kms of sub 6 minutes under 150 bpm, sub 7 minutes under 140bpm, and sub 8 under 130bpm. In particular, look out for Kms in the 90-120bpm range when the subject is claimed to be running. This is clearly not possible, and is most certainly NOT a tech fail."I agree with this. The HR data for this "monitored" day does look low, just like the other days.
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stravawatcher wrote:
bedsbucks wrote:
Well caught. There's even a period of him running low 5 minute Ks at 115 bpm. This is on Day 26 when Will C was monitoring - data Will C has said was 'clean' per #606.In Will C's own words:
"Upon my departure, should you see his speeds pick up again and heart rate drop, to a very low, physiologically impossible BPM, please question it loudly, and do not, I repeat NOT, simply write it off as a "tech fail". This is what they want you to believe. For those unclear, this includes Kms of sub 6 minutes under 150 bpm, sub 7 minutes under 140bpm, and sub 8 under 130bpm. In particular, look out for Kms in the 90-120bpm range when the subject is claimed to be running. This is clearly not possible, and is most certainly NOT a tech fail."I agree with this. The HR data for this "monitored" day does look low, just like the other days.
At a glance, there are brief periods on day 22, 23 and 24 as well.
Day 22:
Day 23:
Day 24:
His post in #606 goes on about negative splits, which I think is a very weak argument.
The only one carrying any weight is the assertion that these drops into the 'physiologically impossible' range weren't happening when witnessed. This data suggests that they clearly are. Which begs the question, what exactly is Will C looking at during his analysis - and referring to in #606? The daily average?11 -
The report is on Facebook.
TLDR: Heart rates
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appropriate language wrote:
The report is on Facebook.
TLDR: Heart rates
And it's unavailable for people who don't have facebook. Can you post a direct link?
Frankly, until he can answer #748 I couldn't care less.30 -
appropriate language wrote:
The report is on Facebook.
TLDR: Heart rates
i hope not
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appropriate language wrote:
The report is on Facebook.
TLDR: Heart rates
my phone doesn’t want to open that document.
what was the big revelation he’s been teasing?
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appropriate language wrote:
The report is on Facebook.
TLDR: Heart rates
actually his "revelation" is that robbie balenger has/had similar looking (dodgy?) patterns to the data on his runs.
surprised that a tenacious soul like will c hadn't digged into this earlier.
feels like watching an amateur, low stakes version of lance armstrong circa 2003: enough circumstantial evidence to root against them and think they're a bit of an arrogant wally; not enough to nail them as a "cheat".
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The revelation is that after much fruitless searching, at last, another athlete has been found who exhibits very similar HR data to Goodge during multi-day endurance runs.
That person is Balenger.100
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